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12-24-2012 01:31 PM
Stumble
Re: how high well does my boat point?

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Originally Posted by Columbia9_6 View Post
Instead of shot gunning the problem, I'd suggest starting at the beginning. Someone said earlier fair the bottom. I assume they are referring to a new bottom paint to reduce unwanted drag. Next, loosen all your standing rigging and tune the rig properly. contrary to an earlier post, two year old dacron sails are new... two year old laminates are not. Properly cared for dacron sails will last 10, 12 years. Balance the boat when sailing. If it's not balanced, nothing else can be repeated on a consistent basis. Then you can send picture, gps tracks, apparent wind readings, etc. we can provide a lot of help with just a little more data as long as the conditions are repeatable...eg a balanced boat.
I didn't say two year old sails went any good, I said they would start to effect performance. If you look at any racing class that uses Dacron sails (the J-22 comes to mind) there is a definite replacement cycle for sails. When I was racing the 22's we replaced the sails before every big regatta. So a new set for midwinters, new set for nationals, new set for North Americans, ect... A jib with 10 races on it is a noticeably worse pointer than a new one.

Note that this would be stupid for cruising/day sailing, even performance sailing unless you are sailing at the top of the fleet.
12-24-2012 10:10 AM
MarkofSeaLife
Re: how high well does my boat point?

If its the same Columbia that we had in Australia in the 1970's it will only point well downwind.

But you cant tell till you have your new genoa.

My boat is not a great pointer, so instead of getting frustrated i try to just go with its flow, keep the boat speed up and reduce leeway.

Mark
12-24-2012 08:54 AM
smallboatlover
Re: how high well does my boat point?

i have a coronado 27' which is basically a columbia 26. But i haven't notices problems pointing. yea i don't point into the wind like some nice boats around me do. And ive found these boats sail very well weather heavy weather or light to no wind. you shouldn't have a problem with pointing how far off the wind are you when beating?

And a little off topic hows the inside of your boat look? i need some ideas for my boat and we have the same boat pretty much. Post a few pics of you boat.
12-22-2012 07:29 PM
Columbia9_6
Re: how high well does my boat point?

Instead of shot gunning the problem, I'd suggest starting at the beginning. Someone said earlier fair the bottom. I assume they are referring to a new bottom paint to reduce unwanted drag. Next, loosen all your standing rigging and tune the rig properly. contrary to an earlier post, two year old dacron sails are new... two year old laminates are not. Properly cared for dacron sails will last 10, 12 years. Balance the boat when sailing. If it's not balanced, nothing else can be repeated on a consistent basis. Then you can send picture, gps tracks, apparent wind readings, etc. we can provide a lot of help with just a little more data as long as the conditions are repeatable...eg a balanced boat.
12-14-2012 10:36 AM
BlndSqrl
Re: how high well does my boat point?

In my experience, you can change the sails and rigging all you want, but pointing is going to come down to the keel configuration. A quick look at the specs on sailboatdata.com tells me that this boat won't point. The cutaway on its keel will never let it get very high, plus it only has 19 feet of waterline. It is a great little boat, but you will have to sail it within it's design parameters. As we have all learn, boats are a series of compromises.
12-14-2012 10:26 AM
rhr1956
Re: how high well does my boat point?

I had the same problem with my Pearson 26. It was pilot error in my case. The two major problems was the sheeting angle on the jib sheet and the fact that I wasn't sheeting the jib tight enough. The sheeting angle was putting too much tension on the foot and not enough tension on the leech. I moved the turning block about 8" forward and it balanced the shape of the jib.
12-14-2012 10:20 AM
tschmidty
Re: how high well does my boat point?

+1 on GPS track. But there are really two different things here.

One is your real track over ground which is a combination of sail trim and side slip. Side slip is helped by having more lift from your keel and to some extent rudder. Those are harder to correct although getting a good foil shape on the rudder helps and is relatively easy to fix/build. Keel is harder and you can only do so much especially with the type of keel the Columbia 26 has (It is a cutaway semi full keel right?)

The other is how tight an angle to the wind you can sail and still get power/lift and is affected by the sails, trim and shape, etc. To me the biggest/easiest thing to look at/correct is sheeting angles. The 26 with lifelines and the tracks out on the toerail (I assume) is not going to get you as tight a sail trim for the genoa which will definitely limit your ability to point. You could try running a smaller jib and adding a fairlead and cleat on the cabin top to tighten up the angle and see what that does. A traveler for the main will help too by allowing you to sheet in close to the centerline without flattening the main.

My 0.02 but there are guys on here who will definitely have better thoughts!
12-14-2012 08:01 AM
BubbleheadMd
Re: how high well does my boat point?

Posting a screenshot of your GPS track would be a great help. We could see exactly what your tacking angles are.
12-14-2012 02:23 AM
overbored
Re: how high well does my boat point?

which model do you have? the Col 26 never was a good pointer and the ones with the shoal draft keel just do not point at all.
12-13-2012 11:15 PM
Faster
Re: how high well does my boat point?

Michael.. I've merged your two threads asking the same question.. please post a question once in the appropriate forum..

As has been indicated above there's no single, simple answer to your question. You should not expect to be able to point with more performance oriented boats, but in fact any one or more of a huge list of issues could be the culprit.

Pictures would be a big help, but a more complete description of your setup and how you trim the sails would also be helpful. Have you sailed other boats that 'pointed better?' How much sailing have you done yourself? etc etc.....
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