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4 Days Ago 09:52 AM
Sanduskysailor
Re: C&C 29 - Mark 1 vs 2

Some other things to consider. I have had both keel stepped and deck stepped masts on 28'/29' boats. Currently have a 29-2. I like the keel step for racing as it gives you more options for mast set up and the boat is stiffer. Stepping the mast on the 29-2 is not that difficult although you have to raise it up more.

A big long term consideration is the engine. The Yanmar 2GMF on the C&C is pretty much bulletproof. Parts are readily available. I'm not sure what the other 2 boats have.

I regularly race against 3 7.9s. I usually beat 2 out of 3 and sometimes all 3 7.9s. It is tight racing. The 29-2 is a much better boat to cruise on and a lot more stable than the 7.9. More of a big boat boat feel less of a dinghy. The B 28.5s are dogs upwind. The wing keel doesn't work that well. The J-28 is nice but pricey.

The bridgedeck traveler on the 29-2 can be modified so that the control lines lead aft instead of up the sides of the coaming. The mainsheet is reachable from the helm. Suggest a 3:1/6:1 mainsheet and 4:1 traveler controls. Playing the traveler upwind with a vanged main is effective upwind in puffy conditions.

The biggest performance advantage of the 29-2 is the rudder. Nice big spade. I have successfully raced the boat in 30knots true wind with the spinnaker. Boat was in control and never lost flow over the rudder.

Send me a PM if you need price guidance on a 29-2. You never know I might sell mine and get the 33 footer my wife has been eyeing.
5 Days Ago 11:58 AM
SHNOOL
Re: C&C 29 - Mark 1 vs 2

I should refine my statement in that I trailer twice a year... to, and back. But I agree, keel stepped makes for an unhappy experience raising the mast.
5 Days Ago 11:52 AM
SloopJonB
Re: C&C 29 - Mark 1 vs 2

In your circumstances I wouldn't even consider a keel stepped mast. You'll never need their benefits and it would be a constant headache re: trailering.
5 Days Ago 11:13 AM
SHNOOL
Re: C&C 29 - Mark 1 vs 2

I (always) have my 3 boats for 3 foot-itis picked out...
The C&C 29 Mark II is on that list... Curious which others? J28, and Beneteau 285.
Each has their bennies (for me) versus downsides.

For the C&C 29 (again Mark II, as the Mark I, isn't a starter for me, mostly due to width - long story) owners... I've seen where in light air the baby-stay isn't really necessary (can you confirm this?).. I'm assuming flat water is a requirement as well? As the baby stay is used to "pre-bend" the mast correct?

Also again for C&C 29-2 owners, if you solo the boat, do you find the traveler at the companionway "within reach" and do you sail to the side and forward of the wheel?

You see the things that drove me to the list above with plusses and minuses spelled out...
C&C 29-2, well built, cockpit is laid out correctly, sails well, masthead rig (which I like), deep fin leaded keel, with solid glass hull (cored decks). The downsides I noted was the traveler (which I play like a violin now on my S2) was at the companionway (OK, but a pretty big stretch solo), and it's a keel stepped mast (that's good for performance bad for trailering), and the baby-stay (again good for tuning, bad for dealing with tacking). Below is a traditional layout which I like and seems like its pretty high quality.

J28, this is my ideal layout, all the controls are setup to sit to the side of the wheel, traveler is at the helm position, boat is cored hull, and cored deck (ugh), the J boat premium I think is a bit over the top, down below is an OK layout, but not luxurious. Loving the destroyer wheel. The fractional rig is just ho-hum to me, but I'm sure it also affords an easier to solo sailplan. The boat is really to heavy to trailer comfortably, although I know its been done. Keel stepped mast (again good for tuning, lousy for trialering).

Bene 285, this is probably the easiest to setup to trailer, I love the cabin, seems nicely laid out, with quality components. I hate that most have issues with the headliner, but I could deal with that. Even the "fin" keel has winglets, and a shallower draft. The default wheel configuration has the traveler on the coach roof, although I've seen some with the traveler at the companionway (better). Love the look of this boat best, but I've read the steel keels can be an issue and handling/performance isn't really there (despite the numbers).

Right now there are few J28s available (1 or 2), the B 285, there are a couple (5? around the USA), and C&C 29-2s there are several (more than 5) and all seem to be nicely equipped, one is a real stand-out and near me, for a reasonable price. I could be tempted to auction off my soul to get the right boat (would likely name it "Last boat IV" as I'm at 3 boats in 4 years right now). Meanwhile I might also wind up divorced , only partially kidding on that one.

Trailering is the only option on my local lake, and we don't have a travel lift or a mast crane (although they've been able to use a industrial fork lift to raise the mast on a Capri 30 locally, also keel stepped)... The local lake isn't my only option but it's my most convenient one (everything else is 2+ hours from home and roughly twice or more what I pay for a boat slip now).
6 Days Ago 11:23 AM
FDR14127 I am always chasing down and fixing leaks...that one I tracked to the handrail above it. The racing crew kicks the handrails and I ended up replacing them once. Bitchin job. Other candidates are the window in the head which upon replacement with a NewFound light turned out to be not a problem. Of course it could also be a chainplate fitting on the deck which requires maintenance about every three or four years. My shipwright replied when I complained one day about this subject, all boats leak...and I should buy a Hinckley and have their yard look after it.⚓
6 Days Ago 09:45 AM
rwparker1
Re: C&C 29 - Mark 1 vs 2

I was poking around on information about the c&c 29. I have a 1977 c&c 29 atomic four engine as well. My only issue is a persitant leak on the port side in the forward shelf by the bulkhead. Wondered if you had any problems liek that?
12-15-2014 03:57 PM
SloopJonB
Re: C&C 29 - Mark 1 vs 2

According to the PHRF rating sheets I have C&C 27's have ratings of 174 to 201 depending while 29's have ratings of 171 to 183 depending.

I'd say the sailor is going to make more difference than the boat in a race
12-14-2014 07:36 PM
Sanduskysailor
Re: C&C 29 - Mark 1 vs 2

Really!
"I have a 1979 C&C 27 MKIII with diesel and all I can say is that it was fun reeling in a C&C 29 (not sure which MK) and passing her on numerous legs of a Great Lakes cruise/race this season. Some folks can't tell the boats apart."




Frank, you didn't beat the 29 every race in the inter club cruise. Did you ever consider that the 29-2 you raced might not have been that well sailed?

Check these results for a 29-2 in a 26 mile race.

http://www.mhyc.us/boating/falcon/results/11.pdf

Note the elapsed time of Hey Jude and look at the much faster boats it beat on elapsed time including some with ratings in the 90s. That doesn't make it faster or the faster boats slower. The 29-2 sailed by a competent racer will smoke a 27-3 upwind and deep angles downwind. Reaching they are close in speed.
10-27-2014 09:19 PM
Wildguy
Re: C&C 29 - Mark 1 vs 2

Thank you for your information. Have a great winter.
10-26-2014 04:03 AM
doogymon
Re: C&C 29 - Mark 1 vs 2

I have a 1979 C&C 27 MKIII with diesel and all I can say is that it was fun reeling in a C&C 29 (not sure which MK) and passing her on numerous legs of a Great Lakes cruise/race this season. Some folks can't tell the boats apart.
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