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3 Weeks Ago 10:17 PM
dianaofburlington
Re: 1979 33 ft Hunter Cherubini

This is an old thread but I am concerned about the misinformation contained in nearly all the 'informative' posts.

I've been on sailboatowners.com since it was only hunterowners.com and have provided much information about my dad's work there. For the record, the following may be accepted as definitive (regardless of what others may have perceived or have heard from less-than-authoritative sources). In fact I worked on most of these designs myself, from age 15 on, and was physically present in the time and place at which nearly ALL of them were drawn, submitted, and promoted by my dad and by their builders.

John Cherubini work with Hunter comprises:
  • Hunter 25, 1972 - Bob Seidelmann contributed, having first got the contract himself, but he brought in my dad thus establishing my dad's contract with Hunter;
  • Hunter 30, 1973;
  • Hunter 27, 1974;
  • Hunter 33, about 1976;
  • Hunter 37, about 1978;
  • Hunter 35 and 36, c.1976-1979 - these were 'modified' from H33 molds, but my dad was designer of record for both;
  • Hunter 54, 1977 - the B&R rig was contributed by Lars Bergstrom, meant for only Warren Luhrs' racing cutter; not all production H54s had this and indeed the original design meant for production was very different (and would have been much better had it not been for Hunter marketing). If it has a standing backstay, it is NOT a B&R rig.

The last Cherubini-designed Hunter in production was the H27, my dad's least favorite, which endured till 1984, the year after he died.

Also: Mainship 34, a design whose hull is STILL in production, including as the Mainship 30 (just cut down by the stern).

The Raider and Hunter 33 were COMPLETELY DIFFERENT BOATS. No one looking at both hulls to compare them would mistake that. The Raider's bow angle is close to 45 degrees; the Hunter boats' are typically about 60 degrees (he did this by eye; there was no formula). The Raider 33 has pronounced tumblehome; the H33 does not, coming out of a 1-piece mold. The only interchangeable parts were the shoal-draft keel (mounted much lower on the Raider than on the Hunter, yielding deeper draft) and (in some cases) the mainsail (our R33, Antigone, had/has a H33 'tall-rig' main). The Hunter 33 is a very good design, perhaps the very best in terms of size-to-value, useful accommodation, performance and seaworthiness. I would take a properly-beefed-up H33 anywhere. The same goes for a Raider, which by comparison is much faster, lighter, higher-pointing and better-looking.

Other work my dad did, that I know of, includes:
  • Essex 26 trailerable sloop, 1972 (he disliked the project; but it's actually a very good idea);
  • Cherubini 44 double-headsail ketch (2 cutters which were dogs), 1971;
  • Cherubini 48 staysail schooner, 1980;
  • Cherubini 40/41 double-headsail yawl, c.1968;
  • Cherubini 31 yawl, 1961;
  • Sea Scamp clinker and plywood runabouts, 1957-1965;
  • Norwalk 28 cruiser, 1954;
  • 'River Rat' 30 double-bilgeboard sloop, c.1976;
  • one-off 34' diesel 'steam launch' for John Luhrs, 1978;
  • one-off 48' double-cabin/center-cockpit ketch, 1978.

During the period 1973-1978 my dad was house designer for four separate companies: Essex, Hunter, Cherubini, and Raider, at the same time.

The posters' comments about build quality of both have merit; by now these matters need to be addressed by any buyer, sailor or owner of ANY yacht of this vintage. Old cars get an 'exempt' classification for the odometer when they are so old that they must have been rebuilt a few times; the same should hold true for boats. Don't look at a 1970s production fiberglass boat and expect to not find any dramatic blistering, delamination, or water-intrusion problems. That doesn't detract from the boat's potential and intrinsic value however; and there is always value in resurrecting good design from times past rather than seeing it go to a landfill. I rescued Diana by virtue of paying her tardy (one-season's) yard bill and $6000 later have no regrets. See my blog for details.

My dad typically delegated design and component-engineering work to me during his whole tenure at Hunter. I contributed the interior concept for the H25, thus getting 5 bunks in a 25-foot boat, and fostered the idea of the aft head in the 33, which led to the interior of our own R33. I designed the interior of the 30 and did the displacement calculations for it. I did design work on Warren's 54 hull and rig as well. I designed interiors and did rigging, purchasing, customer service and sales support, and 'glass work for Cherubini Boat Company, 1975-1982. I built Raiders in 1982-1983, just before the shop closed. I built the original C44 plug, which became the yacht Ecstasy (now Emerald) and the C48 plug, which became the yacht Legacy. For Cherubini Yacht I redesigned/modernized the C44 rig and interior (2005-2015).

Anyone with further questions can e-mail me.

I am no longer affiliated with the company now known as Cherubini Yachts LLC of Delran NJ.

J Cherubini II
cherubiniways [at] gmail.com

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09-16-2014 09:12 AM
irmedic
Re: 1979 33 ft Hunter Cherubini

I have a '78 30' that did 22 years in the Bahamas. An ideal size for getting around there with a shoal keel. There's a 37 on ebay in Michigan for 18k, that would also be very interesting. I love my Hunter 30.
09-15-2014 11:06 PM
dupek
Re: 1979 33 ft Hunter Cherubini

Thanks. I will check out that link.
09-15-2014 10:46 PM
RTB
Re: 1979 33 ft Hunter Cherubini

Plenty of info on HunterOwners dot com. Click on boat info for specs, owner mods, and some downloads available for the 33_77-83.

That is shown as a Cherubini model - http://sbo.sailboatowners.com/downlo...3_90315630.pdf

I was also able to download an owners manual for my '82 there. You might ask for help there.

Ralph
09-15-2014 09:32 PM
dupek
Re: 1979 33 ft Hunter Cherubini

Well, I just become proud owner of 1979 Hunter 33. It was abandoned boat in marina and got really cheap, but does need a lot of work. I was able to start the engine and works, but the shifter is not working. I did order new cable ($47). How hard is to replace the cable?. Is there a place where I can find manual for that Hunter?. Thanks.
04-29-2013 11:41 PM
jimgo
Re: 1979 33 ft Hunter Cherubini

I had a chance to see a Raider about 6 months ago. This one was more of a racing boat, but it looked pretty neat.
04-29-2013 11:08 PM
T26Rich
Re: 1979 33 ft Hunter Cherubini

A few more points. The Raider 33 and the Hunter 33 hulls are nearly identical and both designed by JC (same rig, same balast, bow entry angle, the original cabin top of the Hunter is similar to the Raider).
The bow entry angle of 45 degrees of the 33 is the same as the 37
Cabin layouts of the 25, 27, 30, 33, and 37 are similar.

I've been sailing the H33C SD for about a year now in the Barnegat Bay, NJ. It sails well and has a nice cabin layout. I've had her sailing at 8 knots with just the headsail and 12 knots of wind. No ill manners. Great boat.

It is a budget production boat for the masses and hit its mark squarely. Its numbers are solid cruiser, the rig is strong with a double lower shroud and single spreader mast. There were 579 made, many of which are still in service. You can enjoy it as is or upgrade the interior with comforts and flare quite easily.
04-29-2013 09:11 PM
T26Rich
Re: 1979 33 ft Hunter Cherubini

Not sure about your facts. John Cherubini II would also disagree with your facts.
The history of the Hunter 37 Cutter begins with a tale of two men. Warren Luhrs (1944 - ) was a member of a boat building family in New Jersey. John Cherubini (1921-1983) was also from a family with roots in shipbuilding from the Delaware River area. John studied naval architecture with Westlawn prior to the Second World War and worked as an aviation engineer during the war. Both men raced small sailboats in the same waters and had made each other’s acquaintance by the early 1970s. In 1972, Warren contracted John – initially through Bill Seidelmann - to design sailboats for a new Luhrs venture known as Hunter Marine. The first fruit of this venture was the Hunter 25, introduced for the 1973 model year.

Those early years at Hunter Marine were busy ones for John Cherubini, as he was retained by Luhrs as their head designer. “There followed, in this order, the 30 in '73, the 27, in '74, the 33, the 37, then the 35 and 36 (essentially both stretched 33s), the 54 in '78-79.” (from John Cherubini II: thread post 09-05-2007, John Cherubini Designs, HunterOwners.com)

If you want to talk to John, he can be reached at Cherubini Yachts,
51 Norman Ave Riverside, NJ 08075
(856) 764-5319
02-18-2013 08:38 AM
sorcerer33
1979 33 ft Hunter Cherubini

I owned a 1982 Hunter 33 for several years. I loved the layout and liked the way it sailed. There were some problems with the engine mounts. I think the rubber mounts were the wrong hardness and should have been replaced. Ultimately, Dick Ash, a VP at Hunter, lived up to his name and screwed up some warranty repairs so badly that they had to buy the boat back from me. The repairs were related to deck delamination. I lived aboard for several summers and really enjoyed the boat when I could let go of my anger at Dick!
02-17-2013 11:57 AM
sailguy40
Re: 1979 33 ft Hunter Cherubini

I would have never known Cherubini was not the actual designer, they all list them as that. Must be one of those things where it is branded by name for marketing purposes. I did read somewhere else regarding blisters, this one had a bottom job a couple years ago but I would have to get a survey. I wonder what it is that causes these particular models to be venerable to blisters like that? I did look at a 27 and 30 a couple months ago. Exterior wise they both looked the same as the 33 but just not as big. I was also looking at a 1987 Hunter 31 but it was quite a bit more cash and nicest looking thing ever but not sure I trust the newer sailing yachts. For one reason or another, I really like the lines of Hunters. I don't think I ever seen an ugly Hunter new or old. It has to say something if they are actually still in business all these years. If I could I would go with a 41DS but too much boat for me right now and out of my price range, maybe in a few years I can get one if I really wanted. Do you have a Hunter, if so what model? Also thanks for the heads up here, I will keep that in mind. I also got a Columbia 29 I am looking at too.
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