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03-06-2013 11:20 AM
chucklesR
Re: Micron CSC vs Micron Extra --- Mid-Chesapeake

I was spoiled with my Gemini, I could put it in 3 feet of water and walk around it scrubbing the bottom (or pay a kid to do it, buck a foot). I used hard paint, so scrubbing was not a problem.

Now I've got to pay attention to this thread.
03-06-2013 11:11 AM
chef2sail
Re: Micron CSC vs Micron Extra --- Mid-Chesapeake

Quote:
Originally Posted by walterzoy View Post
I use Blue Water ablative 45% copper and get one year of a very clean bottom, no paint build up to sand and only pay $120.00 per gallon at Old Bay Marina on Old Road Bay off of the Patapsco. Blue Water anti-fouling is rated close to #1 in all the sailing and powerboat magazine tests.

If you want to get 2 years or more, they have a 65% copper, but I haul-out at the marina very winter so that I do not have to worry about the boat bouncing around during those winter storms.

I have Old Bay Marina paint my Catalina 30 bottom, the labor including tape, brushes, rollers, and supplies is $195.00 and they use about 5 quarts of bottom paint but still only charge me for one gallon at $120.00 per gallon. Best prices on the Chesapeake and they do a nice job for what a lot of you guys are spending for just the paint alone. $315.00 for paint and labor on my Catalina 30!

I also have them give my prop a coat of PropSpeed and and I never need for a driver to go down mid-season and clean my prop. When I had the driver clean the prope it just fouled up again after a few weeks and was just a waste of my money. With the PropSpeed coating the prop stays clean, it is the only thing that works and stays on the prop until the end of the season.

My marina charges me $175.00 for the PropSpeed and labor - not bad considering two small cans of the stuff (smaller than a cat food can) at West Marine is about $300.00. Old Bay can do two sailboat props with one kit. They buy/use so much PropSpeed that they must get a good discount, so its cheaper for me to let them do the application.
Old Bay Marina has good prices as does Youngs where I get mine done. Guess thats because they are close to each other. A friend of mine keeps his boat in Old Bay. I also use the petit product on my prop

I find its easier on the rig that the boats in the water, covered for the winter
where when the wind blows the boat can give instead of vibrating in jack stands. Our club has good protection and my slip is 11 ft deep so no danger of bottoming. Boats are better supported by water than 8 jackstands placed under them. Beside I pay for a slip year round and save on having the boat hauled and blocked which in your case would add $15/ ft or $450 per year to the price.

Right now you can get UltimaSR60 from Defender for $188 a can or a cost of $68 more, however it lasts at least 2 years. I am on my third year with it. If you add in $100 a year for the diver and look at a two year analysis it looks like this.

2 haul outs ( $900)+2 cans of paint ($240)+2 labor and supplies( $390)= $1540 for two years
vs
1 haul out ($450)+ 2 diver($100)+ 2 cans of paint ($288) + labor and supplies ($195)= $1133

Thats a savings of $400 by using the the paint that lasts for two years and also having a diver clean the boat twice each season. If you can get a third year out of it like I will this year by using this paint which seems to perform really well., I will actually save another $770 and also the wear and tear and stress o the boat having it lifted/

I suppose if I took the boat of the water you could put almost any ablative on it as I think in the PS tests all did well the first year.
03-06-2013 09:30 AM
lancelot9898
Re: Micron CSC vs Micron Extra --- Mid-Chesapeake

I've had good luck with the Bluewater ablative product line too. I can get at least 2 years and sometime even 3 years between haul outs with the boat having been located in the Annapolis area. Prior to using the Bluewater I've used numerous other brands of ablatives over the life of the boat(28 years) and have quite a build up of paint over those years even with frequent use and also a good scrubbing whenever hauled out. Now the boat is getting a new barrier coat(it had a coal tar barrier coat put on back when the boat was new) and I'm considering useing the Micron Extra since I'm using the Interlux product line on the barrier coats. Need to consider some of the other ablatives from Interlux however if there remains a significant price differance between Interlux and Bluewater....I'll go back with the bluewater since hot coating can be achieved with either regardless of brand.
03-06-2013 08:57 AM
pdqaltair
Re: Micron CSC vs Micron Extra --- Mid-Chesapeake

Threads always drift.

I've not heard a lot of Chesapeake area discussion of Bluewater, their 40 and 60% Cu paints are always rated highly, and they're cheap. Less marketing budget?

The other thing is that paint test programs by magazines never include any scrubbing. Since most owners do scrub at least a little, I wish they would. I find myself wondering if the Pettit Ultima holds up as well to that as the Interlux Micron.

I guess I could flip a coin and not know the difference.
03-06-2013 02:26 AM
walterzoy
Re: Micron CSC vs Micron Extra --- Mid-Chesapeake

I use Blue Water ablative 45% copper and get one year of a very clean bottom, no paint build up to sand and only pay $120.00 per gallon at Old Bay Marina on Old Road Bay off of the Patapsco. Blue Water anti-fouling is rated close to #1 in all the sailing and powerboat magazine tests.

If you want to get 2 years or more, they have a 65% copper, but I haul-out at the marina very winter so that I do not have to worry about the boat bouncing around during those winter storms.

I have Old Bay Marina paint my Catalina 30 bottom, the labor including tape, brushes, rollers, and supplies is $195.00 and they use about 5 quarts of bottom paint but still only charge me for one gallon at $120.00 per gallon. Best prices on the Chesapeake and they do a nice job for what a lot of you guys are spending for just the paint alone. $315.00 for paint and labor on my Catalina 30!

I also have them give my prop a coat of PropSpeed and and I never need for a driver to go down mid-season and clean my prop. When I had the driver clean the prope it just fouled up again after a few weeks and was just a waste of my money. With the PropSpeed coating the prop stays clean, it is the only thing that works and stays on the prop until the end of the season.

My marina charges me $175.00 for the PropSpeed and labor - not bad considering two small cans of the stuff (smaller than a cat food can) at West Marine is about $300.00. Old Bay can do two sailboat props with one kit. They buy/use so much PropSpeed that they must get a good discount, so its cheaper for me to let them do the application.
03-06-2013 12:33 AM
blt2ski
Re: Micron CSC vs Micron Extra --- Mid-Chesapeake

Having used Micron the last two times, that is all previous owner used for 20 yrs. I used WM PCA 2 yrs ago, held up well, did not have as much junk on it. Could have gone a third year in water all year in puget sound. But had to pull a month ago for a leaking PSS shaft seal. Boat was out, so on went another coat.

The PCA seems to ablate easier and better per say than the Micron did, and at slower speeds. Probably a softer paint too, so it may not be as good per say.......but getting a clean bottom after sitting for 2 months on news years day after a 1-2 hr sail.....can not complain. It was after that new years sail I cam back to the boat and found water over the floor boards and a slow leak in the shaft seal.

I do not recall who said it, but some ablatives are softer, and only need 2-4 knots of speed to clean themselves. Where as the Micron IIRC needed 5-6 knots to start to ablate. So if you have a 6.5knot hull speed boat, the softer could be better.

marty
03-06-2013 12:11 AM
chef2sail
Re: Micron CSC vs Micron Extra --- Mid-Chesapeake

Quote:
Originally Posted by T37Chef View Post
@pdq...
I looked up the on line info on SR60, I see nothing now that states it should be applied by a professional, sorry...I just recall reading that on the can when I purchased it. I have no idea why, this is the only thing I found even related "Utilizes the same proven formula as Ultima Pro from our Pro Coatings line" LOL
Also, it seems Defender is still selling Interlux CSC, 66, and Extra


@Dave, you sure you used SR60, I used SR40

Does anyone know if these paints expire? I have a can of SR40 thats been sitting indoors for three years, I want to use it this Spring
Positive I used the Ultima SR60.I just looked at my invoicefrom Defender from 2 years ago.I didnt apply it myself,Youngs Marina did, I supplied the paint

Defender SR60 on sale for $208 plus a $20 rebate
Defender SR40 on sales for $179 plus a $10 rebate

Ultima SR40 has more copper than Micron Extra
03-05-2013 09:44 PM
tommays
Re: Micron CSC vs Micron Extra --- Mid-Chesapeake




5 quarts of micron extra on a Cal 29 hull



After season one and a full on aggressive powerwash to leave the stink at the boat yard



After season two with a second full on aggressive powerwash the barrier coat just started showing

The paint got a light wipe down with a washcloth every two weeks in high growth season

I live in the worst barnacle larva area on the planet right by the Northport sewer plant outflow which passes my boat every tide cycle
03-05-2013 09:39 PM
T37Chef
Re: Micron CSC vs Micron Extra --- Mid-Chesapeake

@pdq...
I looked up the on line info on SR60, I see nothing now that states it should be applied by a professional, sorry...I just recall reading that on the can when I purchased it. I have no idea why, this is the only thing I found even related "Utilizes the same proven formula as Ultima Pro from our Pro Coatings line" LOL
Also, it seems Defender is still selling Interlux CSC, 66, and Extra


@Dave, you sure you used SR60, I used SR40

Does anyone know if these paints expire? I have a can of SR40 thats been sitting indoors for three years, I want to use it this Spring
03-05-2013 08:00 PM
chef2sail
Re: Micron CSC vs Micron Extra --- Mid-Chesapeake

Do you have a diver go down at all during the seaon. That would mean you are expecting four seasons out of the Black PCA Gold over much of your hull.

I ight try one more year and do what you said as long as i had it dove on twice.

Then next year take all the old off so you dont build continual layers. Do you have a epoxy barrier under it all?
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