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03-10-2013 09:30 PM
rockDAWG
Re: Norfolk, VA to Boston delivery

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Originally Posted by jameswilson29 View Post
No SSB. What kind of SSB radio should I carry?
I just got this, so no warrenty from me yet

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I am debating which to buy:
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What I have read, it seems a good antenna is more important to model or brand.
03-10-2013 10:45 AM
SVAuspicious
Re: Norfolk, VA to Boston delivery

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gotta wait until I get there. Thanks for the offer of support. Might be a thought to start a thread about what programs you think should be on a sailboat's laptop. Whole new world for me. ?Would you be willing to moderate Dave?
Sure. *grin* Happy to moderate moderately. I know I don't have all the answers but I'm pretty good at questions.
03-09-2013 09:26 PM
outbound
Re: Norfolk, VA to Boston delivery

gotta wait until I get there. Thanks for the offer of support. Might be a thought to start a thread about what programs you think should be on a sailboat's laptop. Whole new world for me. ?Would you be willing to moderate Dave?
03-09-2013 06:58 PM
SVAuspicious
Re: Norfolk, VA to Boston delivery

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spoke with wife. she wants to go straight through. Her thinking is same as Auspicious'. She surprised me by saying she wasn't adverse to seeing some weather. Her thinking was she rather have that happen the first time with redundent skilled crew aboard than when it's just the two of us. Still will look at the 500mb for 3d. If I don't like it won't go.
I was thinking I and the other two would single. She would do 4 and 8's but one of us would be designated as her crew.e.g. she would single as well but under a watchful eye. Figured when off watch play with systems with who ever wasn't sleeping.
Have typical pretuned ICOM ssb with pracnor modem for salmail/weatherfax.
Excellent. Let me know if there is anything I can do to help. Is there a laptop on the boat ready to go or are you configuring Airmail when you get aboard?
03-09-2013 05:27 PM
outbound
Re: Norfolk, VA to Boston delivery

spoke with wife. she wants to go straight through. Her thinking is same as Auspicious'. She surprised me by saying she wasn't adverse to seeing some weather. Her thinking was she rather have that happen the first time with redundent skilled crew aboard than when it's just the two of us. Still will look at the 500mb for 3d. If I don't like it won't go.
I was thinking I and the other two would single. She would do 4 and 8's but one of us would be designated as her crew.e.g. she would single as well but under a watchful eye. Figured when off watch play with systems with who ever wasn't sleeping.
Have typical pretuned ICOM ssb with pracnor modem for salmail/weatherfax.
03-09-2013 05:07 PM
SVAuspicious
Re: Norfolk, VA to Boston delivery

An inexpensive shortwave radio like the Kaito KA-1103 (well under $100) will get you USCG voice weather and weather fax, the latter requiring a small cable and a laptop.

There is no better safety item than something keeps you out of trouble.
03-09-2013 04:48 PM
jameswilson29
Re: Norfolk, VA to Boston delivery

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No SSB? With an EPIRB the availability of help is about the same...
No SSB. What kind of SSB radio should I carry?
03-09-2013 11:53 AM
SVAuspicious
Re: Norfolk, VA to Boston delivery

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Should I appeal to do the coastal hopping rather than straight shot? Figured learn the boat better in shorter time if we just "get her done".
On a boat in good shape coastal hopping makes sense if 1. you are on holiday and sight-seeing, 2. the weather is unstable, or 3. crew is frightened.

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Here are the disadvantages of coastal hopping as I see it:

Risk of collision with local boat traffic
Risk of collision with Navaids, fishtraps, exposed wrecks, etc.
Risk of getting caught on lee shore with easterly/Noreaster
Risk of grounding on shoals, inlets, wrecks, etc.
Need to accommodate currents/tides in passage timing
Need to make certain distance in certain time for daylight inlet passages
Longer distance and considerably longer time required
You'll find there aren't big differences in traffic between nearshore and the rhumb line. Closer in the fishing boats will be heading in or out and someone will be on the bridge. Further out sometimes they are working lines or nets and you can't count on someone always being on the bridge.

I still prefer to be out.

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Advantages {of coastal hopping]:

Radio contact
Help nearby
Closer to rescue, if necessary
Psychological comfort of seeing land, other boats
Ability to refuel, restock, if necessary
Ability to sleep uninterrupted at dock or anchor w/o watch standing
No SSB? With an EPIRB the availability of help is about the same. Spin up time of the air resources is more than flight time in many cases. If you have to buy "stuff" you didn't do a good job planning. Learn from that and think harder. Sooner or later you'll have your first time offshore and the Norfolk or Cape May to Newport(ish) run is pretty benign - close to support, good weather products, only about one day out of VHF range.

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Based on my non-scientific study of boating problems in the mid-Atlantic, most seem to stem from proximity to shore, not from being offshore. The distance of the straight shot from Va/NJ to RI is never so far from shore that you can't be saved by USCG if you carry an EPIRB.
Bingo.

You should, in my opinion, plan your trip the way you would like to make it. You should have weather resources available before leaving AND UNDERWAY to ensure that your plan still makes sense. You should have bailouts considered in case something happens (boat breaks, someone gets sick or injured, all your water dumps into the bilge, whatever).

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Both regall me with sea stories of storms they have gone through on transports. Wife and I both still work (MD/RN). Can arrange 7-10d window for trip. Boat has SSB, full nav with all the toys, raft/EPIRBs,Jordan series drogue, full ditchbag stormjib on colego softstay etc. so have much less concern about safety. Boat is purpose built passagemaker as well.
Great. The biggest downside of what you propose is that, given your description of your wife's experience, it isn't quite long enough. It takes three or four days to really get in the groove of being offshore the first time. By the time she gets adjusted you'll arrive.

Will you have someone with a ham license on board? If so you should check into the Waterway Net (7268 kHz LSB 0745 ET). Regardless check into Cruiseheimers and the Doo-Dah Net (Google them). It will give you good practice with your SSB and confirm operation.

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Also note plan to do 3 person watch schedule with her always on watch with another person. I want to have one of "paid" crew with me as much of the time as possible to learn ship systems. That way the admiral is learning from some one other than me and I'm learning from people who really know my boat.

Question is will we gain(learn) more fom this trip going coastal or offshore?
I think you'll benefit more offshore. You bought a passagemaker. Presumably you plan to make passages. It's easy to practice boathandling and hopping around when you are home.

When you are on watch you should be on watch. What is the benefit of having experienced crew with you on watch? If you have your head behind the electrical panel or in a bilge how are you "on watch?" Stand your watches, read manuals, and spend some off watch time with crew on systems. Make sure everyone gets enough rest.

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Then I was thinking of coastal for first 24-36h of cruise then offshore. I've done 5-10d trips offshore. She has been ~24h offshore. ? Can you suggest hybrid route plan?. Want to allow at least 3-4 d "downtime" inside our 10d window to allow for picking weather window so ideally keep trip no longer than 4-5d. Boat easily driven to hull speed of 8.38kts.
Leaving from Norfolk headed North there really is no good place to duck in until you get to the Delaware Bay. You either push on or turn back. The only hybrid is to head up the Chesapeake, through the C&D and down the Delaware with the plan of not stopping but with tonnes of easy bailouts.

If you don't fit under the fixed bridge at Cape May then Cape May doesn't make a good stop headed to New England. Anchoring inside the inner breakwater at Cape Henlopen makes much more sense.
03-09-2013 11:24 AM
outbound
Re: Norfolk, VA to Boston delivery

perfect-did a quick look at worldcuising and sailing wiki and looks about right- Thanks Jim good idea.
03-09-2013 11:11 AM
jameswilson29
Re: Norfolk, VA to Boston delivery

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... Can you suggest hybrid route plan?...
Why don't you stop at Cape May, N.J? It's 140 n.m. from Norfolk - good shakedown cruise for you and your wife.
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