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Interesting Sailboats

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#1 · (Edited)
Sirius 32, Sirius 35

THE OBJECT OF THIS THREAD:

Interesting sailboats in production and available on the new boat market (only boats with modern designs, meaning that the boats still in production but made with old designs are out). Recent designs out of production are also admissible.

Modern boat designs and modern one off, if interesting.

Classical boats and traditional boats.

Small cruisers (less than 35ft)

Seezunge 27ft: PG1-PT9

Hanse 325: PG19-PT185;

Presto 30 : 33-326; 33-327; 34-331; 34-333; 55-543; 55-544;

Tess Yachts: 37-366; 38-373;

Tess 28 Magnum: 37-369; 38-371;

Delphia 28: 38-373;

Vancouver 27/28 : 42-412; 72-717;

Cruisers between 35ft and 49ft


Catalina 355 : 31-306;

RM sailboats: PG5-PT41; 5-42

RM1050: PG5-PT46; 5-47; 5-48;

RM 1060: PG8-PT77; 8-78; 8-79; 8-80; 9-81; 30-295; 40-400; 79-786;

RM 1200: PG9-PT84; 9-85; 19-184; 20-191; 20-192; 41-404; 42-414; 42-418; 43-425; 43-426; 69-688;

RM 1350: PG9-PT82; 55-549; 95-943;

Morris Yachts: PG7-PT61

Bavaria 36: PG19-PT188; 19-190; 20-196;

Bavaria 40: PG10-PT95; 28-278; 29-281; 29-282; 29-283; 29-286; 32-316; 36-356; 51-502; 51-507; 52-518; 53-527; 53-532;

Bavaria 40s: 69-685; 78-775;

Bavaria 45: PG10-PT96; 19-190;

Rustler Yachts: PG11-PT104;

Jeanneau 409: PG11-PT103: 11-106; 30-298; 30-299; 36-356; 51-502; 51-504; 51-505; 51-509; 52-513; 52-514; 52-515; 52-516; 53-527; 54-532; 57-564; 57-570; 58-571; 58-580; 59-581; 59-583; 59-585; 62-614; 74-739; 91-906;

Jeanneau 439: 40-396; 40-397; 59-584; 59-585; 96-956;

Hanse Yachts: 16-154; 16-156; 16-158;

Hanse 400: 81-804;

Bluewater cruising yachts: 21-206

Beneteau Oceanis 37 : 31-306; 31-308; 31-309; 32-314; 55-541;

XC 38: 36-356; 96-954;

Diva 38: 39-386;

Diva 35: 40-391;

Dufour 405: 62-614;

Defline 43: 63-622

Walkabout 43: 93-923; 93-925; 93-927;

Small performance cruisers (less than 35ft)


Performance 32ft test: 29-87;

Sun Fast 3200: PG4-PT33; 4-34; 4-36; 30-293;

Elan 210: 70-691; 70-696; 78-779; 79-781;

Elan 310: PC7-PT64; 7-69; 8-71; 36-356; 41-408;

Quest 33: PG7-PT62

Olea 32: 25-243; 25-245;

First 27.7: 38-373; 38-380; 39-382;

First 30: 30-295; 39-356; 41-408; 55-545; 55-546;

Comet 26: 34-340; 35-345; 35-350; 36-353;

Pacer 30: 36-357;

Django 7.7: 40-399;

Vivace/Evosion 34: 45-442; 45-446; 45-445; 45-446; 45-447; 45-448; 45-449; 45-450; 46-458; 46-460;

Finn Flyer 34: 46-451; 46-453; 60-593;

Salona 34: 46-457;

Heol 7.4: 63-621; 63-622;

Azuree 33: 87-867; 91-902; 91-904;

JPK 10.10: 88-877 ; 88-880; 89-883;

Performance cruisers (between 35ft and 49ft)

Pogo 10.50: PG2-PT20; 3-27; 3-28; 3-30; 4-35; 5-50; 6-51; 6-52; 6-60; 11-101; 11-107; 11-110; 43-425; 44-440; 87-861; 87-867;

Pogo 12.50: PG13-PT125; 20-198; 20-199; 22-214; 27-264; 27-265; 27-269; 32-317; 32-319; 43-425; 43-426; 43-428; 44-432; 44-437; 44-439; 55-546; 55-547; 82-812; 84-831; 87-870;

Este 40: 89-890; 90-893; 90-899;

A35: PG5-PT42; 5-44; 66-660;

A40RC: 92-914;

Hammerhead 35: 64-645

Opium 39: PG5-PT42; 9-85; 9-89; 13-125; 22-220; 22-221; 43-426; 55-547; 86-857;

Aerodyne 35: PG7-PT62

Elan 350: PG7-PT64; 13-24; 13-126; 13-127; 13-128; 14-132; 18-178; 26-255; 36-356; 40-398; 41-405; 57-564; 59-589; 60-591; 72-711; 73-724; 74-738;

Elan 380: 23-223; 25-249; 26-256; 40-398; 59-589; 97-962;

Elan 410: 32-316; 79-784;

JPK 110: PG9-PT85; 10-91

Olea 44: PG10-PT100; 27-268;

Olea Yachts: 25-247;

Dufour 40e: Pg13-Pt125; 32-316; 55-547; 56-558; 56-559; 57-561; 57-562; 57-563; 59-586; 59-588,

Salona 37: 36-359; 41-406;

Salona 41: PG15-PT141; 15-145; 32-316; 36-356; 40-398; 54-538; 57-569; 78-778; 80-796; 80-798; 97-965;

Salona 42: PG15-PT145; 36-359; 40-398; 93-929; 94-932;

Cigale 16: PG15-PT148; 16-152; 17-161; 55-549; 63-625;

Cigale 14: PG17-PT163; 55-549;

Santa Cruz 43: PG17-PT169

Sydney Yachts: PG18-PT171; 18-175;

Sydney GTS 37: 43-423;

Sydney GTS 43: PG18-PT173;

Winner 12.20: PG20-193;

First 40: 31-304; 32-313; 32-316; 35-344; 36-354; 55-546; 55-547;

First 35: 36-356

Dehler 41: 30-296;

Dehler 44: 79-785;

Dehler 45: 36-356; 79-785;

Luffe 40.04: 30-300; 31-301; 31-303;

XP 38: 56-533; 56-544; 56-555; 67-622;

XP 44: 33-325;

Pacer 430: 36-357;

Pacer 376: 36-357; 66-652; 69-683;

Faurby 424: 36-360; 37-361; 37-363; 37-365;

Comfortina 39: 40-395;

J 133: 43-426; 63-620

J 111: 100-993;

Maxi 11: 99-982;

Arcona yachts: 46-456;

Arcona 410: 47-467; 47-468; 47-469; 48-471;

Arcona 430: 48-472;

Arcona 460: 50-495

Finngulf yachts: 46-456;

Varianta 44: 60-594; 60-595; 60-596; 60-597; 60-598; 64-639;

Imagine 53: 63-628;

Zou 40.2: 63-620

Ker 39: 68-676;

Finn-Flyer 42: 77-762;

Azuree 40: 85-842;

Loft 40: 85-848; 85-852;

Vivace 35: 90-895;

Sailing boats over 49ft

Zeydon 60 : PG 12-119;

JP 54: PG18-PT172;

Salona 60: 70-695;

Stadships: PG20-PT193; 20-195;

Pogo 50: 32-318; 32-319;

X-50: 54-537;

Murtic 52: 54-537;

Decksaloons and pilot house sailing boats

Sirius 32: PG1-PT1

Sirius 35: PG1-PT1; 1-10; 2-18; 50-491; 50-492; 60-559; 60-599;

Sirius 31: PG1-PT5; 2-17; 36-356;

Regina 35: 48-478;

Regina 40: PG11-PT104; 49-481; 49-483;

Southerly yachts: PG11-PT104;

Luffe 43DS: PG12-PT111; 12-115; 50-494;

Noordkaper 40: PG14-pt139;

Noordkaper yachts: PG16-PT155

Nordship 36: 30-297; 49-482;

Nordship 38: 49-482; 49-490;

Paulo's pilot house I: 38-376; 39-381; 39-383; 39-384;

Paulo's pilot house II: 69-682

Lyman & Morse 45: 38-379;

CR 38DS: 48-477; 48-478;

CR 40DS: 48-476; 48-478; 48-479; 50-494; 50-496; 50-497; 50-498;

Arcona 40DS: 50-494;

Racers

Figaro 2:pG4-PT36; 4-37; 5-42; 6-52; 6-53; 6-55; 6-56

VOR 70: PG16-PT160; 17-187

Farr 400: 67-661

Soto 40: 96-952;

Lifting keel/centerboarder

Southerly yachts: PG11-PT104;

Allures 45: PG10-PT93; 100-996;

Allures yachts: 25-248;

OVNI 425: 23-228;

OVNI 395 : 68-679; 69-690;

J 108: 67-661

Atlantic 43: 68-67

Boreal 44: 97-970; 98-974;

Multihulls till 34ft

Several Trimarans: 28-273;

Multihulls with 34ft and over

Dragonfly yachts: 26-257;

Dragonfly 35: 26-258; 27-261; 27-262;

Dragonfly 1200: 56-551;

Corsair 37: 28-276;

Farrier 39: 28-277;

Challenge 37: 28-278

Hammerhead 34: 29-385;

Hammerhead 54: 29-288; 30-292;

Trimax 10.80: 29-285;

Sig 45: 54-534; 54-539; 54-540;

Gunboat: 56-551

Fusion: 56-551;

Outremer: 56-551;

Tournier: 56-511;

Classical and Traditional boats

Jclass boats: 54-537;

Tofinou 12: 71-703;

Folck boat: 73-727;

Puffin Yachts: PG14-PT135; 14-138; 16-155;

Bestwind 50: PG12-PT116; 14-123;

Bestevaer 53: PG12-PT116;

Bestevaer yachts: PG16-PT155

Cape George 36: 41-410; 42-412;

Marieholm 33 : 42-412;

This list is not actualized. Please use the advanced search engine of the thread with the name of the model and builder. It works, most of the time.

(actualized till PG100) and it will be no more because that gives a lot of work (500 pages now).

Instead I am actualizing the titles and with the right title the thread search engine (not the one on the top of the page bit the one much below that says search thread) on its advanced option works quite well.

Hello,

Melrna posts on Miami Boat show and the comments of Smackdady about the interest of that thread lead me to think that perhaps I could share more information about sailboats I know and find interesting.

I am interested in boat design (interior and sailing performance) and I go each year at least to one of the main European Boat shows and that means basically Dusseldorf, Paris or Hamburg. On these shows you have the opportunity not only to visit the boats of the main and medium size builders but you have also the opportunity to visit the boats of small and sometime family shipyards.

Normally they build very good sailboats and sometimes they have been doing that for decades. The boats are hugely appreciated by their faithful customers but because they don't advertise their boats and there are very few on the used boat market, they pass unnoticed by the majority of the sail community.

The visit to these boats is a very rewarding experience because they are made with passion by true boat lovers and because when you talk to the guy that is on the boat, you are not talking with a dealer, that many times doesn't know much about boats, but with the builder, or the designer.

Even if you are not a buyer they will have real pleasure in talking with someone that really appreciates and understands their work. Those guys really believe in what they are doing and they do it the best way they can, no matter the cost. In a word, they are in love with what they are doing.
Of course, these boats have to be expensive.

This thread will be mainly about these boats, as a way of letting you know about these gems. Let's see if you are interested. I will not post much. If you want to know more you have just to participate and make questions.

The first one it will be the "Sirius". I have had the pleasure to visit several times their boats and to talk with the builders (father and son).

These boats have the best interiors you can find, or at least that I have seen. Not only the quality, but the design and ergonomy are fantastic. You really won't believe you are in a 32ft boat. Just incredible and amazing; Have a look at it:

Sirius-Werft Plön | Forecabin | 32 DS for 2 forecabin
Sirius-Werft Plön | Owner´s cabin | 32 DS 4-berth comfort owner´s cabin
Sirius-Werft Plön | Workshop | 32 DS for 2 workshop

Now that the son is in charge they have modernized the outside look of the new boats, they look fantastic not only inside but also outside. The boats sail well and they have clients as far as Japan.

Sirius-Werft Plön | Versions of decks house | You have the choice

Another interesting point is the way they develop new boats. They work with the clients to collect suggestions on the shape and design of the boats. A truly interesting affair, between passionate clients and passionate builders.

Sirius-Werft Plön | 35 DS | Philosophy

Take a good look at their interesting site and if you find the boat interesting, please let me know, I can add some information.

Sirius-Werft Plön | english | Welcome at website of Sirius-Werft Plön

Regards

Paulo
 
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#3,757 ·
Though I do not support geriatric egos and the men and women my age (61) or older breaking records. But I do hope that Mr Paris breaks Dodge Morgans record. Dodge Morgan was a true New Englander and a fine sailor for his time. I enjoyed the film made of his record sail back in the 80's, that I believe was one of the first attempts at modern day sailing with electronic instrumentation. Mr Paris looks like a fine man I wish him well and good health.

And I like the non advertising on Paris's boat also, you would think he was a Yankee New Englander too.:cool:
 
#3,759 ·
Don't take me wrong I do have an huge respect and admiration for those that with an advanced age (for the Sport they practice) beat themselves with younger and apparently more fit sportsmen in equal terms for absolute records or race results more even if they prove to be better.

The issue here for me is a specific record based not on performance but on the age of the one that is establishing it and that is his main priority and the first one on his list of achievements:

1 - Oldest to have circumnavigated non-stop.

I have an huge respect and admiration by sailors like 69 year old Loick Peyron that last year beat the absolute (crewed) world circumnavigation record or 57 year old Francis Joyon that 5 years ago beat the absolute solo circumnavigation record, some month ago beat the central solo Atlantic record and that is waiting a good meteo window for the North Atlantic record.

But a 76 old man being competitive solo sailing in absolute terms competing with younger sailors? No way. I don't believe that even one of the greatest sailing champions like Loick Peyron would be competitive with 69 solo sailing.

A record based on performance for an advanced age has no meaning to me. What about an athletics 100m record time for 70 year old men and to 80 and 90 year's old men. That seems ridiculous and it is ridiculous in my opinion.

I have the utmost respect for the ones that with old age keep on cruising for the pleasure of cruising and voyaging and I know of some with more than 80 and I only hope to be able to do the same, but someone that at the age of 76 is trying to establish a sail record for his age seems to me only be doing a foolish thing, no different to try to establish any other sports record for an advanced age.

Enough of this. Everybody can have its own opinion about this, but if someone wishes to discuss this further please open a thread about the value and interest of relative records based on advanced age performance, sailing or otherwise.

Regards

Paulo
 
#3,769 · (Edited)
Journeyman 60

Another interesting proposition as a voyage boat for high latitudes charter work:









This is a Swedish one off and it is meant to high latitude sailing. It is was an one off but I heard about the interest to build more.

The owner and co-designer says about it:

The Journeyman 60 yacht is designed by Jesper Weissglas. Every solution, every detail and every choice of materials is based on experience from over 30 000 nautical miles of adventure charter sailing in rough conditions, including the Across Greenland expedition with renowned Swedish adventurer Ola Skinnarmo.

Journeyman is the result of over 5 years of design work. Jesper is living his dream and his vision, but he has also had to deal with harsh economic realities and numbing obstacles - often no bigger than a single aluminum bolt. The process has involved some of Sweden's sharpest minds on aeronautical and structural design - mostly without any other reward but the thrill of being part of a project beyond the ordinary. The underwater hull is based on research by Gabriel Heyman, and the appendages are designed in cooperation with Jens Ă–sterlund.

The first yacht was built at the Alunaut Shipyard on Saaremaa in Estonia. The experienced team at the yard - accustomed to building performance workboats - put all their skills and raw enthusiasm into building Sweden's first "extreme express cruiser".

Why a new design?
Standard cruising yachts aren't designed for rough adventures. As long as the weather is nice everything is fine. The crew is happy and life is comfortable. Then, as temperature drops and the low pressures start lining up, the drawbacks of any modern cruiser (with the words "luxurious interior" written in a prominent place in the sales brochure) become apparent.

When it's 5°C, the rain is pouring and you're beating to windward against a strong gale, you don't care much for the luxurious interior. You do, however, care about the fact that the toilet can only be flushed on the starboard tack. Especially when you've been on the port tack for 14 hours. Or three days.

You care about there being nowhere to hang all your wet gear. Well, maybe you don't, if the deck ventilators are so poorly designed that large waves washing over turn the salon into a shower anyway. And the uninsulated hull contributes with a little condensation rain on top of that. In fact, the hull condensation water might the only drinkable water you get, since the water-maker doesn't work under speed because of the air bubbles in the inlet water.

This list just goes on and on. And with every new item the morale of the crew sinks lower. So, a great adventure charter journey needs a yacht designed for it. A yacht that takes care of the crew instead of having the crew take care of the yacht....

The Story Behind the Journeyman 60 | Journeyman 60

And the hull designer:

Journeyman is a purposeful design for shifting weather and high latitudes… aluminium hull, rather slender, with water ballast, retracting T-keel, careful engineering. Her pilothouse is a brutal design. As an expedition yacht, she is all about efficiency.

Jesper Weissglas' hull for the Journeyman was a decent, ordinary, fast hull. Rather slender, but of very modern proportions. Blunt stem, wide stern, easy lines.

But over the past decade, we had been testing and tweaking the hull volumes, under water and above water, to make boats go faster offshore, with an easier motion and drier decks. In addition, the same changes made our designs easier on the helm and more directionally stable.
These new designs had been evaluated in a study at Chalmers University of Technology and, surprisingly, apart from having better handling and an easier motion, VMG was improved by approx. 4%. These results were also verified at SSPA, the test tank facility in Göteborg.

I cannot remember now whether Jesper Weissglas had heard about these studies when he turned to us to confirm that the hull shape would work. But I said that Journeyman could be turned into a better boat, and that the difference would be significant. I guess he was thrilled by this option but he looked at me in disbelief. And replied that we were going to be challenged in such case and that he was going to perform a CFD study of our hull design alongside his own. This trial would have to confirm what I was trying to say.

As it turned out, the design suggested by us showed much lower drag....

Combined with the expected improvements in steering, motion in a seaway and slightly increased sail area, the overall gains seemed irresistible. ..

She is just the purposeful, benevolent, fast expedition yacht she was intended to be. And she is utterly comfortable at sea.


HEYMAN YACHT DESIGN: Expedition Yachts #1

Some facts, figures and dimensions:

http://journeyman.se/wp-content/uploads/journeyman60_leaflet4.pdf

Well, I like the concept, the interior feel and habitability inside that kind of WWII airplane bomber canopy but the look is too brutal for me. I would have made the same with a more traditional look. Besides that everything seems perfect for me, the speed, the seaworthiness and the small draft.

This is a type of boat different from the French deriveur concept of boats like The OVNI, Boreal or Allures.

The vantages and disadvantages:

Vantages:

with a very deep keel (1.8-3,8m) and a bulb at the end this boat has the potential to be much more powerful, fast and to point better upwind.

That potential for speed is increased by a much lesser weight in the needed ballast due to the point where it is collocated: 3.8m down versus on the bottom of the boat, or slightly below water line.

Disadvantages:

This type of construction makes for a considerably more expensive boat with added complexity and more maintenance.

When facing bad weather even if the boat has a bigger stability it cannot raise its keel to have a better dynamic stability and eliminate any tripping potential when pushed by a breaking wave. With this boat in bad weather the keel should stay down, otherwise the stability will be diminished, while on a French deriveur, because the ballast is not on the keel, the centerboard can be completely pulled up without any diminution on the boat stability.

A French Deriveur can be beached and has a considerable smaller draft than the one on this kind of boat.

To each one to know if the extra power, lesser weight and speed will compensate for the disadvantages. I guess that there will be opinions on both sides.;)

...
 
#3,771 ·
The big and the small racing boats.



Regarding the smallest offshore racers, let me remember that the next moni Transat will be raced on 13/10/2013 and limited to 84 racers. They have more than 100 pre inscriptions. The 100th is from an American, Jeffrey MacFarlane with a proto. They have 18 different nationalities. It seems that finally an offshore solo race becomes truly international and not a French affair:D.

http://www.minitransat.fr/sites/www.minitransat.fr/files/pdf/parcours-minitransat.pdf

Some movies with minis:







 
#3,775 · (Edited)
David Raison's bopats



Welcome. It seems you are new around these parts otherwise you would already have heard about David Raison's Mini. Yes it has a funny bow but I guess that you are going to see more soon:D

David Raison won with that boat the last mini big transat, from France to Brazil beating the crap of 90 other mini race boats, at an average record speed of 7.53K.

David Raison wins Mini Transat | The Daily Sail



David Raison besides a racer is a NA and after the race made and even more funny boat, an aluminium pocket cruiser (22ft). The boat is fast, tough, with a lot of interior space....and strange:D





Revolution 22-Voilemag from PLUSCOM on Vimeo.



revolution22 from PLUSCOM on Vimeo.



Interview Nautic 2012 - Révolution 22, le voilier à carène révolutionnaire from PLUSCOM on Vimeo.

Accueil - Afep Marine

Regards

Paulo
 
#3,777 ·
Hi One,

I don't think there was no sarcastic comment there. Paulo's English is a lot better than our Portugese. See! But sometimes it may come across that way to us N. Americans.

Hell Paulo, that little revolution is an ocean bob sled. Another Russian Sputnik,
How much do they cost? If I was 22 I'd buy one just to sail once across the Atlantic one time then sell it. I'd bring 25 bottles of cheap wine, 5 ounces of herb and have a ball. What a wonderful little boat, far better than any 22 footer from the old days. Did you see how they did the boiler work? That was an amazing process. I wish I spoke French I would have loved to hear what the NA was saying. Heck if I was not doing something different and I had not much to do I would buy one of those little space ships and sail her to the BVI's and I'm now over 60.
 
#3,780 ·
Hi One,

That must explain it then.:cool:
Hehe, yup :D

What do you think of these mini's? Hard to get use to looking at them but they really work.
I think it's absolutely great! I do think something like that prammy thing is not for me, as I like going to weather. The designer even admitted to "banging" slowing him down. I think there'd be a lot slamming into waves with that bow. But it wasn't really designed for that. Some of the other minis are more up my ally.
 
#3,786 ·
Hi Paulo,

If you were not a racer and you wanted to sail one of these little mini's across the Atlantic how would they work with far less sail than what we see in the racing. The average man or women could not hold as much sail as the professionals can for 16 days or so on a crossing.

Will we be seeing a lot of these mini's sailing oceans over the next few years? I've got a feeling there will be a lot of them around the world like a swarm of bees.

I've already started saving my pennies and after I sell the Boreal down the road I'm going to get one of these little babies as my final yahoo. They can even bury me in one of them just sitting at the helm six feet under, mast sticking out of the ground as a flag pole.
 
#3,788 ·
Delphia 31

...

Will we be seeing a lot of these mini's sailing oceans over the next few years? I've got a feeling there will be a lot of them around the world like a swarm of bees.
...
No, I don't think so because people that are interested in sailing oceans will be, like they are now, a small minority. The truth is that with just a bit more than 50 000 euros one can buy a new mass production boat faster, bigger, more comfortable and more adapted to coastal cruising:



That Revolution 22 will remain the boat for a guy that likes to voyage hassle free without not much space or comfort and the guys that like to do that are and will be only a minority. Nothing wrong with that. Sailing has many sides and tastes, all right...for different guys and with different boats to each one;)

Regards

Paulo
 
#3,789 ·
Sailing and foiling.

That's the new revolution: From the first experiences to the accomplishment with the Hydroptere and the little Moth now it is the more important research on the America's cup boats.

Planning is already possible on many performance cruising boats...what will be the first one able to foil?

A short history of foiling. It is in French but the images talk by themselves:

 
#3,790 ·
Superyachts sailing

Another stormy day on this Easter...this had been a tough year. Let's have some sun and beautiful yachts. I heard that the Loro Piana this year had a big number of superyachts, I don'y have images yet, but some older ones will do.

If you have a problem with millionaire's sailingboats remember that each of these boats gives work to 20 sailors that have the luck to be paid to sail those beauties and that without them we would not have these beautiful sights and wonderful boats.





2013 Antigua Superyacht Challenge. from A C Q U A F I L M S on Vimeo.



Loro Piana Superyacht Regatta 2012 from Superyacht Media on Vimeo.



St Barths Bucket 2012 - Sailing Yacht Regatta from Superyacht Media on Vimeo.



Antigua Superyacht Challenge 2011 from A C Q U A F I L M S on Vimeo.



SUPERYACHT REGATTA from FIFTEEN PRODUCTIONS on Vimeo.
 
#3,792 ·
Circumnavigating on a 22ft light and fast sailboat:

You know all that jazz regarding being needed an heavy slow boat to do long range voyage because you need to carry a lot of stuff and then a light boat is not light anymore and it is slow and so on...Well some cannot imagine that a circumnavigation cannot be made other way than the way they would choose to do it and even think that a Pogo 12.50 is too small and light to do that with any comfort:rolleyes:

These guys are doing it on an used 6.5m mini and they seem quite happy with their comfort :D and the boat is not even a performance cruiser but an adapted racing mini;).

Total Budget: 36 800 euros. Price of the boat: 16 000 euros

Good winds and fair weather to Alexandre and Florian:











 
#3,793 ·
"Bonne Chance" to Alexandre and Florian. I've subscribed to the YouTube channel. Is there anywhere a link to a GPS tracker, to follow their course and progress ?
 
#3,794 ·
No but you can comunicate with them, they are on the facebook:

DEFI Voile 6.50 | Facebook

Their last post was about an inspection that was made to the boat by the authorities for passing the Panama Channel. They passed the inspection but:

They will have to have 6 persons aboard:eek:, they will have to rent a chemical toilet, they have to rent a more powerful engine (outboard) and they have to enter a huge caution just in the case if they will provoke any traffic disruption:D

They have also a site:

ideesdumonde.org | Promotion des initiatives sociales et solidaires

Regards

Paulo
 
#3,798 ·
I'm not really interested in wing sails on a boat of mine, although it is an interesting concept, being able to reef it and everything.

I like the OneSails, well, sails. Especially the ones with the taffetta coverings, giving them a golden colour. If I was a racing sort of chap, I would probably go for the uncovered, but that tech is really interesting, even for a tosser like me who just enjoys big weather and having fun in waves. As a concept I think they're on to something that will take the cruising and racing world with storm. I mean, it would be possible to make a lighter sail, yet stronger than most anything out there with their method. And who doesn't like to have less weight up on top, and to have them strong enough to withstand most anything (well, for a non-racer like myself, anyway)?

For others who might join in, I can categorically state that not only do I have no connection whatsoever with OneSails, I had never heard of them until PCP posted the above links.
 
#3,803 · (Edited)
Luca Bassani and Wally yachts

Continuing with big yachts let's have a look at some modern ones and the big yachts that better assume modernity are the Wally.

It is easy to identify a Wally, they share all the same vision of modernity, the clean sharp lines and elegant hulls makes them easy to identify....and however they are designed by many and different NAs. All major league NAs, but very diversified.

So why they are so easily identified as Wally yachts?

The reason is the owner of the brand, Luca Bassani.

He has a vision and strong well defined ideas.

He uses NAs to give body to them. They create his vision of a yacht and so Wally, even if designed by many different NA, share a common heritage, Luca Bassani vision.

That is even more interesting since Basani is an economist not a boat builder with a long story perfecting the lines of a type of boat neither he is a designer. Wally, non withstanding its huge success, is a recent brand. He is a long time sailor but the story only begins in 1991 when he, not satisfied with what the market had to offer, builds his own boat. In 1994 he founded Wally to satisfy other sailors that were dissatisfied with the boats on the market and liked Basani boat. 19 years later Wally has the largest performance fleet of Maxi-Yachts.

So, let's have a look at the man and his dream. An interview and two movies: a very short one in English and a longer and fantastic one in Italian. For the ones that cannot understand Italian, the boats speak for themselves:):

The Monaco-based boat maker's yachts, power yachts and smaller boats all carry design characteristics utterly undreamt of until they came about.

Their dark, mysterious looks are undoubtedly head-turning, their power frightening. The minimalist lines don't give anything away; indeed they hide the yacht's interior which, in the larger variants such as the outrageous Wallypower 118, is simply spine-tingling.

It is instantly evident that design plays the lead role in these beauties. After all, any power yacht which can house a space that changes from dining room to small conference area must be special.

Wally's boats are nothing short of prodigious. To find out just how and why these seemingly fictitious concepts of arresting design exist, I chatted with Luca Bassani, Wally's founder, president and mastermind.

Incredibly, Mr Bassani not only takes charge of the whole business, but is the brains behind every single piece of marine art that comes out of Wally's headquarters in Monaco.

"What inspires you to come up with such striking yachts?"

"The functionality and the need to find simple solutions, lighter and more neat."

...

"Do you feel that your unusual designs detriment your sales, or enhance them?"
"We think that, as with any smart innovation, it will enhance our sales in the long term."

"You are a much fresher, less well-established company than the likes of Sunseeker and Princess. Do you think boats like yours are a shape of things to come for all boat companies, or will your style remain unique?"
"On the sail yachts, we have already carved the whole market and everybody is copying our solutions and our style. It will also happen in the power boat sector and, in fact, it is already starting to happen."
...
"Where do your buyers mainly come from? I haven't seen many in Monaco's port."
"Forty percent of our clients come from Germany, thirty percent from Italy and the rest from all over the world."
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Interview with Luca Bassani - Yacht Pioneer & Wally Founder









Wally // Home
 
#3,805 ·
Have been watching these forums for a couple of years and finally joined.
Really like the reviews and comments by PCP and the rest of members.
One boat in particular has now received the documentation i've been waiting for:
Jeanneau Sun Fast 3600
See here: ac-voile (need to add www and com since new members can't add links or pics)
Some new pictures including layout of cockpit layout, inventory list, VPP, IRC cert, options... comments please.
Thnks again.
 
#3,806 · (Edited)
Jeanneau 3600 - JPK 1080



Edward, welcome to this thread and to Sailnet. It is amazing the number of new members that make their first post on this thread. You guys make me proud:)

I will post the pictures and links for you:











http://www.ac-voile.com/modules/catalogue/upload/1Fiche technique du SUNFAST 3600.pdf

I have a relation of love and hate with that project:

I love the hull design, I love the power given by that hull and the high B/D ratio, I love the rigging they show on the mock set up, I love everything that regards sailing. It is going to be a hell of a boat specially in what regards solo or short crew racing. I am not sure if the boat will rate well on handicap racing, particularly in light winds but it is going to be not only a very fast sail boat as well as a relatively easy boat to sail fast.

I hate that they had not taken the opportunity to make this sailboat not only a great racer but also a great performance cruiser and in what regards that they screw it big time. I have already said about that:

That interior is screaming for a small central removable central navigation place (on the top of the main table) and that would permit a big galley on the two sides of the boat, without any seat. that would make the main table smaller but who cares, it will be more than enough for two and most of the time people eats outside and that table is not a good one anyway, with a mast on the middle. A good galley, or at least an acceptable one is indispensable in any cruising boat.



I guess you and me are not the only ones pissed with that. Maybe they will, on account of sailors pressure, end up making two versions: a pure race version with a skeleton interior and one with a better interior for cruiser racers.
Besides that I would say that I will say that the boat has a problem with outside storage space in what regards cruising and a stupid one because the boat seems to have a considerable space on the transom and a big forward locker (sail locker) next to the anchor locker (my boat has that set up too and it is a practical one).

It is stupid because the access to either locker is ridiculously small, just a standard hatch. That can be acceptable on a racing boat (even if also for racing the opening for the sail locker would be much more practical if bigger) but on a performance cruiser just don't makes no sense.

Two "details" (the galley and the storage) that in my opinion limits the cruising potential of the boat and given their sailing potential, that makes me mad:mad:

The A35, a boat that probably will be the main competition has a better cruising interior, specially in what regards the galley:



It has also more storage space even if it shares the same problem in what regards to access it from the cockpit. They are projecting a new one, it deserves to be looked at, if you are on a market for a fast cruiser racer. Maybe they continue to offer a decent galley and a good storage space.

The J111 is will be probably a better boat for crew racing and a worse boat for solo racing, but even that one has a better cruising interior and a better galley. The J111 permits also the access to one of the cabins from the outside (that cabin can be transformed in a big locker).



I would say that if you want the boat for cruising and for racing (and Jeanneau will persist into making only a racing interior) wait for the new JPK 1080. That one will have a racing and a cruising interior in a boat that should present very similar sailing characteristics, including fast solo sailing:





The JPK will be probably slightly more expensive but Jean Pierre Kelber will make it to fit you, your sailing style and the use you are going to the boat. This one contrary to the Jeanneau can be customized to a certain extent.

Regards

Paulo
 
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