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03-23-2013 03:18 AM
chrism33
Re: Singlehanded Running Backs

If you're not too worried about performance & pointing high, then I've sailed single handed with both sides left partially on. This also only works if your mainsail clears the runners when you tack.
03-17-2013 08:29 AM
downeast450
Re: Singlehanded Running Backs

Thanks guys,

Your thoughtful advice is going to make a huge difference, especially when the decisions are happening!

What a great resource!

Down
03-16-2013 12:16 PM
Faster
Re: Singlehanded Running Backs

Unless its really windy you can also try centering the boom pre gybe. This minimizes the back wind lee behind the main and makes its easier to keep the wind in the kite, esp while pole-less. However you need to be sure that when the main jibes itself (more likely now) that whatever steering method you're using can keep the boat on course.
03-16-2013 11:18 AM
jameswilson29
Re: Singlehanded Running Backs

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Originally Posted by Irunbird View Post
Be wary of wraps around the forestay, especially if you ease the sheet beforehand...
I agree. I forgot to mention squaring the pole at the same time, overtrimming the guy as you ease the sheet. That way you will have an easier time jibing. I tend to steer the boat about 20 degrees off DDW. For me, the key is to jibe the pole quickly. Once you attach the pole to the new guy and push it out to leeward quickly, it will not wrap. In the meantime, if the sail is flying independently of the pole, and hopefully flying far enough away from the forestay, it is unlikely to wrap. But, this is really a finesse moment for the particular boat and solo sailor.

Make sure the foreguy is not restricting the movement of the pole before you do your end-for-end jibe. Make sure the guy will release easily from the pole jaw when you open it. Make sure the sheet is sufficiently eased so you will be able to push the pole out fully to leeward. The worst thing is to end up at the mast, unable to complete the jibe because you cannot make the pole end to the mast.

(As you feel more comfortable with the procedure, you can even move the leeward jib sheet to its proper position on top of the leeward side of the pole topping lift bridle before you attach the pole to the new guy, so you will be able to raise the jib easily, when the time comes to douse. This makes the douse much easier because the spinnaker will be blanketed by the jib as you head closer to DDW. Grab the eased spin sheet, pull under the boom, release the guy completely, and slowly release the halyard as you pull first the spinnaker foot and then the luff and body of the sail as the head drops quickly under the boom to leeward and stuff into the cabin through the companionway. Several seconds later, you will end up with the sail quickly stowed in the cabin and the spinsheet clew still under-trimmed in your right hand. If you do it right, pulling as fast as you can, it almost feels like the spinnaker is dropping right into the cabin, it happens so quickly and easily. Pull too slowly and the head drops into the water to leeward.)

After jibing the pole, scramble back to the cockpit to jibe the main sail as you steer on your new jibe angle downwind. Ease the guy and trim the sheet for the new jib angle. I haven't filmed myself doing this because I have not ventured into the field of comedic videos of Chinese fire drills yet.

Practice, practice, practice. The first time I wrapped the spinnaker around the forestay and had to abandon the spinnaker run while I manually unwrapped it. Evans advises practicing a series of pole-less jibes, going from one 30 degree angle from DDW to another, jibing repeatedly, so you learn how to fly the sail without a pole. That is probably a good idea, although I have not taken his advice in that regard, yet.
03-16-2013 09:24 AM
Irunbird
Re: Singlehanded Running Backs

Be wary of wraps around the forestay, especially if you ease the sheet beforehand. One thing that makes this more forgiving is using a spinnaker net.
03-16-2013 09:00 AM
jameswilson29
Re: Singlehanded Running Backs

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Originally Posted by downeast450 View Post
James,

I have rehearsed doing this but not yet attempted it. Any hints or suggestions? I would be smiling if I could pull it off. Autopilot or locked helm? What is "heavier air"?

Thanks

Down
I recommend Andrew Evans's "Thoughts, Tips, Techniques and Tactics for Singlehanded Sailing", a free download available on the Singlehanded Sailing Society website. He and several other have posted YouTube video showing the various techniques for jibing: main first or pole first, end for end or dip pole. Evans advocates the main first jibe.

I jibe the pole first, then the main, with the autopilot. The key is to ease the sheet sufficiently before attempting the jibe, then COMMIT to the maneuver, particularly sticking the pole on the mast, the most difficult part in heavy air, while the boat is rolling and the sails are filling. Be careful making your way back to the cockpit to avoid an accidental jibe.

With the spinnaker, heavy air is anything above 15 knots for me in my non-planing boat. For a boat that planes downwind, like an Olson, you could probably fly a spinnaker solo in much higher wind speeds. Hoisting and dousing are not as challenging as jibing, although you must be well-prepared, step by step, for your intended procedures.

I have YouTube videos of my flying the spinnaker solo, but no jibes yet:
03-16-2013 08:35 AM
Irunbird
Re: Singlehanded Running Backs

I've done it enough on my Olson 30 to know, but I cannot imagine handling it alone with running backstays in heavier air than about 15 kts unless you ease both of them (but then what's the point of running backstays?). I use a simple Raymarine autopilot (tiller-controlled st-2000) and depend on it for gybing. There's an interesting discussion going on over on sailing anarchy with Andy Evans (Foolish Muse) about launching/dousing the kite in heavy air (he's talking about breeze approaching 37 kts at the high end and of course, has destroyed several sails in the process), which I think would qualify as "heavy", but he's an unusual character with tons of experience and may not even be using an ap.
03-16-2013 07:19 AM
downeast450
Re: Singlehanded Running Backs

Quote:
Originally Posted by jameswilson29 View Post
Depends on how you sail. Jibing with a symmetrical spinnaker singlehanded is the most difficult maneuvers I perform, particularly in heavier air.
James,

I have rehearsed doing this but not yet attempted it. Any hints or suggestions? I would be smiling if I could pull it off. Autopilot or locked helm? What is "heavier air"?

Thanks

Down
03-16-2013 01:14 AM
Faster
Re: Singlehanded Running Backs

Given your situation and some choices I think I'd pass on runners. The K25 is an OK boat and fairly quick but she can be a bit twitchy and is a pretty minimal cruiser compared to, say, a C&C 25.
03-15-2013 11:52 PM
paulk
Re: Singlehanded Running Backs

Depends upon the boat and the mast as well, along with the conditions you'll be out in. Our boat has running backs as well as a standard backstay. The runners are only needed when the breeze gets up over 25 knots and the mast starts to pump with the 'chute up. A Star, for example, would be an entirely different story. They lose their masts a lot, even when fully (two) crewed. Of course if you set up on one tack don't tack or gybe after that, your problem is solved.
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