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08-24-2013 01:04 PM
svRafiki
Re: Comparing a P36-2/C36/C34

Hey there Mr Walters
Are you still considering a P36-2? I'm the new proud owner of hull#30 and have a load of pictures and thoughts if they are still valuable for you?
Chris
03-18-2013 09:59 AM
Faster
Re: Comparing a P36-2/C36/C34

Quote:
Originally Posted by kwaltersmi View Post
Far as I can tell, the newer more modern ports appeared on the 1987 C36's, while a small scoop transom appeared in 1991. The beam change and walk-through on the MKII is definitely an improvement, but as you say, the MKII is out of our budget.
The C34s have always had that newer look, I wasn't sure when the C36 made the change, looks like it was '87. If they did it during the model year you may find '87 examples of each! Interestingly, the earliest few C34s had deck stepped rigs.. they moved back to keel stepped until the advent of the MkIIs.

The walkthrough will be worthwhile if you can find one, they are sometimes referred to as MK 1.5s
03-18-2013 09:29 AM
kwaltersmi
Re: Comparing a P36-2/C36/C34

Thanks Faster! Your input is appreciated!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Faster View Post
And also Aesthetically, a post 89 Catalina will have the more modern ports and windows layout, a significant improvement over the original, and the MKIIs in both models add a much sleeker appearance and more beam aft for improvements in space below, stability, and cockpit layout/walkthrough. There's a definite cost factor in going to a MKII though...
Far as I can tell, the newer more modern ports appeared on the 1987 C36's, while a small scoop transom appeared in 1991. The beam change and walk-through transom on the MKII is definitely an improvement, but as you say, the MKII is out of our budget.

Not sure what we will end up with, but I'm enjoying the process! My tastes tend towards salty double-enders, but most in our price range don't have the room we're looking for down below to accommodate 2 adults and 3 young children, so we're looking at a very wide range of sailboats.
03-17-2013 07:19 PM
Faster
Re: Comparing a P36-2/C36/C34

Just back from a weekend, had a closer outside look at the P36-2... and thought I'd pass on the following.. The cockpit is 'tighter' and less spacious that the Cats but more ergonomically shaped, and would probably be more comfortable on a long trip as long as you didn't have 6 on board, and it won't seat as many at happy hour raftups if that's part of your plan. She has a longer cabin trunk (one reason for the shorter cockpit) so may in fact feel more spacious below, but it's hard to beat the C36s interior plan, esp the second dinette when families are involved.

The other thing that popped out was the Pearson has a much nicer double spreader tapered spar as opposed to the Catalina's single spreader rig, and the P's rig looked about a foot or two taller than our son's standard rigged C36 that was moored nearby.

Aesthetically I did think the P's cabin house a bit angular but overall she looks a handsome boat. You probably should take that look for a full comparison.

And also Aesthetically, a post 89 Catalina will have the more modern ports and windows layout, a significant improvement over the original, and the MKIIs in both models add a much sleeker appearance and more beam aft for improvements in space below, stability, and cockpit layout/walkthrough. There's a definite cost factor in going to a MKII though...
03-17-2013 11:52 AM
kwaltersmi
Re: Comparing a P36-2/C36/C34

Weather didn't allow us to get into the P36-2, but we did check out the C36 and C34. Here's my quick take on both after taking a walkthrough while each is on the hard:

C34
General thoughts on the cabin
- Not as much room inside as the C36 (particularly noticeable in the salon and galley)
- The keel-stepped mast intrudes a bit more into the cabin since it is back a bit from the forward bulkhead (unlike in the C36).
- Aft cabin berth was large, but I prefer the "sofa" available in the C36 aft cabin
- Aft cabin door and aft head really make the cabin feel much smaller than the C36

Specific thoughts on condition
- Her bilge was full to the top with water (currently frozen)
- Mystery drill holes in the port side headliner were weeping dark liquid, likely from a wet deck above
- Head sole had about 1/2" of standing water pooled at the drain (not sure why)
- Running rigging was trashed from U/V damage

Verdict: This is not our next boat. Both condition and layout simply aren't to our liking.

C36
General thoughts on the cabin
- Very open, roomy feeling salon
- Starboard mini-table/game table seems like a good feature for our family with 3 kids
- While not overly attractive from an aesthetics stand point, the cabin layout/room seem very family friendly

Specific thoughts on condition/"features"
- The full cockpit enclosure, winter cover and new FrigoBoat refer with keel cooler are pluses for us
- Reverse cycle air/heat is a concern for me. My wife likes having it as an option, but I've heard too many stories about repair/reliability with A/C and so I am considering it a possible detractor
- ProFurl in-boom furling main: Not sure how I feel about this "feature". I'm a a bit leery of keeping the boom/mast angle perfect for furling and have heard some people say furling isn't always easy from the cockpit. I'm not too concerned about sailing performance trade-offs, but the ProFurl unit is only a positive for me if it furls/reefs easily from the cockpit. If not, I'd prefer a simple StackPack or similar.
- She's got ablative bottom paint and looks ready for a complete sanding (or better yet soda blasting) and repaint. This is potentially expensive and labor intensive at best.
- All deck hardware (stanchions, etc.) was re-bedded last season, which could be a plus/minus depending on if it was done correctly and the reason for doing it.
- Not sure how I feel about the wing keel. We don't need it for our cruising grounds. Not sure I want to sacrifice pointing ability for an un-needed shallow draft.
- Owner applied new gray non-skid paint to the deck. I'd rather not have paint to maintain on deck.

Verdict: This boat may get a second closer look when the weather shapes up and I've had time to think things through.

I'm also very interested in in comparing the Catalinas with the P36-2. Without having been aboard the Pearson yet, my perception is that this will be a better sailing hybrid between the C34/C36, since it has bigger size than the C34 but a very similar cabin layout.
03-16-2013 03:06 PM
eherlihy
Re: Comparing a P36-2/C36/C34

... The Pearson that I really wanted, was the Pearson 38. It was essentially the same boat as the 36-2, but it had a fixed, drop-leaf table, and (correction to my post above), it was only the Pearson 38 that had the walk through transom.

I believe that there were only 20, or so, produced, so they are as rare as hens teeth. Beautiful boat...
03-16-2013 02:27 PM
eherlihy
Re: Comparing a P36-2/C36/C34

I looked and studied (for a long time) the 1985-1991 Pearson 36-2, the 37-2, and the 38. All three boats share the same basic hull. The interior layouts are different, and the keel and deck options evolved over time. I had also sailed the 36-2 for a week long charter, and, overall, love the boat.

The 36-2 was introduced as a 1985 model and was available as a fin keel or centerboard version. The fin keel drew 6.5', and the centerboard drew 4.2' up, and 8.5' down. In 1989 Pearson introduced a winged keel, which drew 5'. To the best of my knowledge, these all had solid glass hulls, with a balsa cored deck. The total sail area was 660 sq ft. Here is the profile of the boat;


The head is to port of the companionway steps, and there is a full cabin to starboard. Here is a picture of the layout of the 36-2:


Despite my affection, there are some areas that I don't like (these are my opinions, take them for what they are worth);
  • The saloon table, which was mounted on a pedestal, would lower to convert the U shaped setee into a double berth. The problem is that the mount for the table would become loose and wobble. Many of these boats had to have owner installed buttressing of the table mount.
  • Most of the Pearson 36-2s that I saw had lots of water intrusion in the deck, especially on the port side, over the electrical panel (bad place for a leak). Preform a check with a moisture meter, and check the wiring behind the panel before you buy.
  • Access to the engine (which is under the double sink) is limited.

As the design evolved over the years, Pearson introduced a walk through/sugarscoop transom, which was, IMHO, well executed. I would place a (~$3K) premium on a later boat with this feature.

I hope this helps!

PM me with any specific questions.
03-16-2013 12:58 PM
Faster
Re: Comparing a P36-2/C36/C34

Both Catalina's are great cruising boats - there's not much in it when comparing the two. Tall rigs preferred, esp in light wind regions. The 36s galley wins that battle, otherwise it's down to personal preference as to layout. Virtually no difference on deck -they are so similar the only way to tell the difference is to know the 34 has 3 opening ports vs the 36s two. Agree the MkIIs aesthetically a step up, ESP walk thru.

That said we have a P36-2 in our club and it's a "bigger feeling" boat, looks more powered up and has a totally liveable interior too. Anecdotally I have heard of more issues like leaky ports on the Pearson.

As ever for me it would come down to individual condition, all else being equal. While I really like the Cats in general without any other compelling reasons I'd probably go for the Pearson.
03-16-2013 12:27 PM
chuck53
Re: Comparing a P36-2/C36/C34

I've got a C34 and a friend has a C36. The difference in size is very little, same beam and only 1 foot in length. Totally different layout with the 36 having the head forward and the 34 having the head aft. Some people prefer one style over the other so keep that in mind.

C34's owners have a very active web site that helped me quite a bit while searching for a boat and can be an invaluable source of information for current owners. ANYTHING you need to know about a C34, you can find there.
I understand C36 owners also have a good website as well but not quite as active as the 34'

Never been on the Pearson, but they made good boats. Sorry they went out of business.
03-15-2013 10:55 PM
Alex W
Re: Comparing a P36-2/C36/C34

SA/D of 14.6 on the Catalina vs 17.4 on the Pearson. I know which one I'd rather sail. Even the tall mast Catalina 36 (SA/D of 15.9) looks under canvassed.

The Pearson was probably made to higher standards, but that is going to matter less than how each of these boats have been maintained and their current condition.

I've sailed a C-36, but not a Pearson 36-2. The C36 was the first "big" boat that I sailed, so it is hard for me to make comparisons based on that.
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