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Interesting Sailboats

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Sirius 32, Sirius 35

THE OBJECT OF THIS THREAD:

Interesting sailboats in production and available on the new boat market (only boats with modern designs, meaning that the boats still in production but made with old designs are out). Recent designs out of production are also admissible.

Modern boat designs and modern one off, if interesting.

Classical boats and traditional boats.

Small cruisers (less than 35ft)

Seezunge 27ft: PG1-PT9

Hanse 325: PG19-PT185;

Presto 30 : 33-326; 33-327; 34-331; 34-333; 55-543; 55-544;

Tess Yachts: 37-366; 38-373;

Tess 28 Magnum: 37-369; 38-371;

Delphia 28: 38-373;

Vancouver 27/28 : 42-412; 72-717;

Cruisers between 35ft and 49ft


Catalina 355 : 31-306;

RM sailboats: PG5-PT41; 5-42

RM1050: PG5-PT46; 5-47; 5-48;

RM 1060: PG8-PT77; 8-78; 8-79; 8-80; 9-81; 30-295; 40-400; 79-786;

RM 1200: PG9-PT84; 9-85; 19-184; 20-191; 20-192; 41-404; 42-414; 42-418; 43-425; 43-426; 69-688;

RM 1350: PG9-PT82; 55-549; 95-943;

Morris Yachts: PG7-PT61

Bavaria 36: PG19-PT188; 19-190; 20-196;

Bavaria 40: PG10-PT95; 28-278; 29-281; 29-282; 29-283; 29-286; 32-316; 36-356; 51-502; 51-507; 52-518; 53-527; 53-532;

Bavaria 40s: 69-685; 78-775;

Bavaria 45: PG10-PT96; 19-190;

Rustler Yachts: PG11-PT104;

Jeanneau 409: PG11-PT103: 11-106; 30-298; 30-299; 36-356; 51-502; 51-504; 51-505; 51-509; 52-513; 52-514; 52-515; 52-516; 53-527; 54-532; 57-564; 57-570; 58-571; 58-580; 59-581; 59-583; 59-585; 62-614; 74-739; 91-906;

Jeanneau 439: 40-396; 40-397; 59-584; 59-585; 96-956;

Hanse Yachts: 16-154; 16-156; 16-158;

Hanse 400: 81-804;

Bluewater cruising yachts: 21-206

Beneteau Oceanis 37 : 31-306; 31-308; 31-309; 32-314; 55-541;

XC 38: 36-356; 96-954;

Diva 38: 39-386;

Diva 35: 40-391;

Dufour 405: 62-614;

Defline 43: 63-622

Walkabout 43: 93-923; 93-925; 93-927;

Small performance cruisers (less than 35ft)


Performance 32ft test: 29-87;

Sun Fast 3200: PG4-PT33; 4-34; 4-36; 30-293;

Elan 210: 70-691; 70-696; 78-779; 79-781;

Elan 310: PC7-PT64; 7-69; 8-71; 36-356; 41-408;

Quest 33: PG7-PT62

Olea 32: 25-243; 25-245;

First 27.7: 38-373; 38-380; 39-382;

First 30: 30-295; 39-356; 41-408; 55-545; 55-546;

Comet 26: 34-340; 35-345; 35-350; 36-353;

Pacer 30: 36-357;

Django 7.7: 40-399;

Vivace/Evosion 34: 45-442; 45-446; 45-445; 45-446; 45-447; 45-448; 45-449; 45-450; 46-458; 46-460;

Finn Flyer 34: 46-451; 46-453; 60-593;

Salona 34: 46-457;

Heol 7.4: 63-621; 63-622;

Azuree 33: 87-867; 91-902; 91-904;

JPK 10.10: 88-877 ; 88-880; 89-883;

Performance cruisers (between 35ft and 49ft)

Pogo 10.50: PG2-PT20; 3-27; 3-28; 3-30; 4-35; 5-50; 6-51; 6-52; 6-60; 11-101; 11-107; 11-110; 43-425; 44-440; 87-861; 87-867;

Pogo 12.50: PG13-PT125; 20-198; 20-199; 22-214; 27-264; 27-265; 27-269; 32-317; 32-319; 43-425; 43-426; 43-428; 44-432; 44-437; 44-439; 55-546; 55-547; 82-812; 84-831; 87-870;

Este 40: 89-890; 90-893; 90-899;

A35: PG5-PT42; 5-44; 66-660;

A40RC: 92-914;

Hammerhead 35: 64-645

Opium 39: PG5-PT42; 9-85; 9-89; 13-125; 22-220; 22-221; 43-426; 55-547; 86-857;

Aerodyne 35: PG7-PT62

Elan 350: PG7-PT64; 13-24; 13-126; 13-127; 13-128; 14-132; 18-178; 26-255; 36-356; 40-398; 41-405; 57-564; 59-589; 60-591; 72-711; 73-724; 74-738;

Elan 380: 23-223; 25-249; 26-256; 40-398; 59-589; 97-962;

Elan 410: 32-316; 79-784;

JPK 110: PG9-PT85; 10-91

Olea 44: PG10-PT100; 27-268;

Olea Yachts: 25-247;

Dufour 40e: Pg13-Pt125; 32-316; 55-547; 56-558; 56-559; 57-561; 57-562; 57-563; 59-586; 59-588,

Salona 37: 36-359; 41-406;

Salona 41: PG15-PT141; 15-145; 32-316; 36-356; 40-398; 54-538; 57-569; 78-778; 80-796; 80-798; 97-965;

Salona 42: PG15-PT145; 36-359; 40-398; 93-929; 94-932;

Cigale 16: PG15-PT148; 16-152; 17-161; 55-549; 63-625;

Cigale 14: PG17-PT163; 55-549;

Santa Cruz 43: PG17-PT169

Sydney Yachts: PG18-PT171; 18-175;

Sydney GTS 37: 43-423;

Sydney GTS 43: PG18-PT173;

Winner 12.20: PG20-193;

First 40: 31-304; 32-313; 32-316; 35-344; 36-354; 55-546; 55-547;

First 35: 36-356

Dehler 41: 30-296;

Dehler 44: 79-785;

Dehler 45: 36-356; 79-785;

Luffe 40.04: 30-300; 31-301; 31-303;

XP 38: 56-533; 56-544; 56-555; 67-622;

XP 44: 33-325;

Pacer 430: 36-357;

Pacer 376: 36-357; 66-652; 69-683;

Faurby 424: 36-360; 37-361; 37-363; 37-365;

Comfortina 39: 40-395;

J 133: 43-426; 63-620

J 111: 100-993;

Maxi 11: 99-982;

Arcona yachts: 46-456;

Arcona 410: 47-467; 47-468; 47-469; 48-471;

Arcona 430: 48-472;

Arcona 460: 50-495

Finngulf yachts: 46-456;

Varianta 44: 60-594; 60-595; 60-596; 60-597; 60-598; 64-639;

Imagine 53: 63-628;

Zou 40.2: 63-620

Ker 39: 68-676;

Finn-Flyer 42: 77-762;

Azuree 40: 85-842;

Loft 40: 85-848; 85-852;

Vivace 35: 90-895;

Sailing boats over 49ft

Zeydon 60 : PG 12-119;

JP 54: PG18-PT172;

Salona 60: 70-695;

Stadships: PG20-PT193; 20-195;

Pogo 50: 32-318; 32-319;

X-50: 54-537;

Murtic 52: 54-537;

Decksaloons and pilot house sailing boats

Sirius 32: PG1-PT1

Sirius 35: PG1-PT1; 1-10; 2-18; 50-491; 50-492; 60-559; 60-599;

Sirius 31: PG1-PT5; 2-17; 36-356;

Regina 35: 48-478;

Regina 40: PG11-PT104; 49-481; 49-483;

Southerly yachts: PG11-PT104;

Luffe 43DS: PG12-PT111; 12-115; 50-494;

Noordkaper 40: PG14-pt139;

Noordkaper yachts: PG16-PT155

Nordship 36: 30-297; 49-482;

Nordship 38: 49-482; 49-490;

Paulo's pilot house I: 38-376; 39-381; 39-383; 39-384;

Paulo's pilot house II: 69-682

Lyman & Morse 45: 38-379;

CR 38DS: 48-477; 48-478;

CR 40DS: 48-476; 48-478; 48-479; 50-494; 50-496; 50-497; 50-498;

Arcona 40DS: 50-494;

Racers

Figaro 2:pG4-PT36; 4-37; 5-42; 6-52; 6-53; 6-55; 6-56

VOR 70: PG16-PT160; 17-187

Farr 400: 67-661

Soto 40: 96-952;

Lifting keel/centerboarder

Southerly yachts: PG11-PT104;

Allures 45: PG10-PT93; 100-996;

Allures yachts: 25-248;

OVNI 425: 23-228;

OVNI 395 : 68-679; 69-690;

J 108: 67-661

Atlantic 43: 68-67

Boreal 44: 97-970; 98-974;

Multihulls till 34ft

Several Trimarans: 28-273;

Multihulls with 34ft and over

Dragonfly yachts: 26-257;

Dragonfly 35: 26-258; 27-261; 27-262;

Dragonfly 1200: 56-551;

Corsair 37: 28-276;

Farrier 39: 28-277;

Challenge 37: 28-278

Hammerhead 34: 29-385;

Hammerhead 54: 29-288; 30-292;

Trimax 10.80: 29-285;

Sig 45: 54-534; 54-539; 54-540;

Gunboat: 56-551

Fusion: 56-551;

Outremer: 56-551;

Tournier: 56-511;

Classical and Traditional boats

Jclass boats: 54-537;

Tofinou 12: 71-703;

Folck boat: 73-727;

Puffin Yachts: PG14-PT135; 14-138; 16-155;

Bestwind 50: PG12-PT116; 14-123;

Bestevaer 53: PG12-PT116;

Bestevaer yachts: PG16-PT155

Cape George 36: 41-410; 42-412;

Marieholm 33 : 42-412;

This list is not actualized. Please use the advanced search engine of the thread with the name of the model and builder. It works, most of the time.

(actualized till PG100) and it will be no more because that gives a lot of work (500 pages now).

Instead I am actualizing the titles and with the right title the thread search engine (not the one on the top of the page bit the one much below that says search thread) on its advanced option works quite well.

Hello,

Melrna posts on Miami Boat show and the comments of Smackdady about the interest of that thread lead me to think that perhaps I could share more information about sailboats I know and find interesting.

I am interested in boat design (interior and sailing performance) and I go each year at least to one of the main European Boat shows and that means basically Dusseldorf, Paris or Hamburg. On these shows you have the opportunity not only to visit the boats of the main and medium size builders but you have also the opportunity to visit the boats of small and sometime family shipyards.

Normally they build very good sailboats and sometimes they have been doing that for decades. The boats are hugely appreciated by their faithful customers but because they don't advertise their boats and there are very few on the used boat market, they pass unnoticed by the majority of the sail community.

The visit to these boats is a very rewarding experience because they are made with passion by true boat lovers and because when you talk to the guy that is on the boat, you are not talking with a dealer, that many times doesn't know much about boats, but with the builder, or the designer.

Even if you are not a buyer they will have real pleasure in talking with someone that really appreciates and understands their work. Those guys really believe in what they are doing and they do it the best way they can, no matter the cost. In a word, they are in love with what they are doing.
Of course, these boats have to be expensive.

This thread will be mainly about these boats, as a way of letting you know about these gems. Let's see if you are interested. I will not post much. If you want to know more you have just to participate and make questions.

The first one it will be the "Sirius". I have had the pleasure to visit several times their boats and to talk with the builders (father and son).

These boats have the best interiors you can find, or at least that I have seen. Not only the quality, but the design and ergonomy are fantastic. You really won't believe you are in a 32ft boat. Just incredible and amazing; Have a look at it:

Sirius-Werft Plön | Forecabin | 32 DS for 2 forecabin
Sirius-Werft Plön | Owner´s cabin | 32 DS 4-berth comfort owner´s cabin
Sirius-Werft Plön | Workshop | 32 DS for 2 workshop

Now that the son is in charge they have modernized the outside look of the new boats, they look fantastic not only inside but also outside. The boats sail well and they have clients as far as Japan.

Sirius-Werft Plön | Versions of decks house | You have the choice

Another interesting point is the way they develop new boats. They work with the clients to collect suggestions on the shape and design of the boats. A truly interesting affair, between passionate clients and passionate builders.

Sirius-Werft Plön | 35 DS | Philosophy

Take a good look at their interesting site and if you find the boat interesting, please let me know, I can add some information.

Sirius-Werft Plön | english | Welcome at website of Sirius-Werft Plön

Regards

Paulo
 
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#3,807 ·
Et voilá, le Spi Ouest

The race that joins more crews in different categories, the race where the top professionals race with amateurs. That was a cold one this year, but nice as usual:



girls, kids, professionals and old sailors were all there:



and the boat builders, the guys from First, Jboats and JPK were there also for the fun of racing their boats to learn, to talk and exchange ideas with their clients.

 
#3,810 · (Edited)
Allures 45

The images are so good that I will post it on a new post. I cannot embed it but just click on the link and have a look look:

It is a Swedish boat test but the images are beautiful. If someone had doubts about the sailing performance I guess these images are enlightening.

https://hamnenplay.solidtango.com/video/allures-45-130213
 
#3,811 · (Edited)
Saare 41 AC and Swedestar 415

On another thread Rockdawg asked me to choice between a Moody 41AC and a Bavaria vision 42. I told him that they were two good sailboats but very different and that a comparison would not make much sense since they value different priorities, the Moody is more expensive and besides that my preference are not probably the same as his. My needs and tastes will probably be different and the ideal boat for me will be probably different than his ideal boat.

Talking about ideal boats, the truth is that personally none of those boats would fit my personal bill, even if I had the money to buy any of them I would no exchange them by my boat. Not even on a future perspective assuming that I am not going younger and probably it will make sense in the future a more conservative boat (well, when I am 80 year's old or something like that:D).

Regarding a more conservative perspective and thinking about future I could imagine me on a Xc 42 or even a Xc38. Of course they are so expensive that even if I had a lot more money I would question if that would be a wise choice. But if I need not to consider costs, there are some lucky guys in that situation, definitively they would be boats I would consider.

On a more modest perspective, I mean if I had the money to buy a Moody 41 I would certainly consider a Saare 41 AC as a cheap alternative to the Xc42. The boat has a modern hull but also classic lines, the kind that will not grow old and I like that and not only that on the Saare.

The difference in price for the Moody is not that much since on the Moody you have many extras that come already on the Saare. The differences between the Saare and the Moody have to do with more power on the Saare (even if it is heavier), more stability and all the gear you need to have a perfect control of the sails. I would be bored in the Moody with its simplistic sail shape controls. I like the Saare a lot more than the HR 415 that is a lot more expensive.

Saare 41 AC

MOVIE:

Estnische Baukunst: Saare 41 AC - Yacht TV - Segel Videos von Europas größtem Yacht Magazin

But if I really had the money to buy a Xc 42 I guess that I would buy a Swedestar 415 instead:D. It has a huge stability and it is much more fun to sail than the Xc42 and comes also with a perfect cruising interior. I would only ask for that transom to be modified, not the hull that I like very much, but the way it is closed. I like it more open. That would not be difficult I am sure.

The Swedestar 415 has everything I like in a sailboat: Fast, comfortable, great upwind, huge stability (including reserve stability) a great cruising interior and of course, it is beautiful in a classic kind of way, one that will grow old with grace. My kind of old men's boat:D

Again, I am not saying that this is the logic choice to everybody. In fact it is not and it is not a question of money but a question of priorities. Money apart: If one dreams to sail to remote places this is not the indicated boat; If someone dreams to cruise and win races at top level, this is not the best boat either; If someone dreams to solo sail on the trade winds at planning speeds, this is not the right boat in fact this is not the right boat for most sailors just for some among them me and even in what regards me I am pretty sure that it would not be my ideal boat if I had 35 (I would want something more explosive and fast). T can see it as a boat for getting old with style and without being bored sailing slowly;).

But I an not the only one that likes that boat. Just look at what the different test sailors said about it:

http://www.swedestar.se/Userfiles/Bild/Övriga bilder/415-quotes-roll-up-jan-2013.jpg

Swedestar Yachts from Sweden by Lidköpings Båtsnickeri, for cruising, family and racing - Modell 415

MOVIE:

http://tv.yacht.de/video/Schwedens-neuer-Stern%3A-Swedestar-415/09e4ab6bad112a1f51312739c81dd8cf

 
#3,817 ·
Re: Saare 41 AC and Swedestar 415

On another thread Rockdawg asked me to choice between a Moody 41AC and a Bavaria vision 42. I told him that they were two good sailboats but very different and that a comparison would not make much sense since they value different priorities, the Moody is more expensive and besides that my preference are not probably the same as his. My needs and tastes will probably be different and the ideal boat for me will be probably different than his ideal boat.

Talking about ideal boats, the truth is that personally none of those boats would fit my personal bill, even if I had the money to buy any of them I would no exchange them by my boat. Not even on a future perspective assuming that I am not going younger and probably it will make sense in the future a more conservative boat (well, when I am 80 year's old or something like that:D).

Regarding a more conservative perspective and thinking about future I could imagine me on a Xc 42 or even a Xc38. Of course they are so expensive that even if I had a lot more money I would question if that would be a wise choice. But if I need not to consider costs, there are some lucky guys in that situation, definitively they would be boats I would consider.

On a more modest perspective, I mean if I had the money to buy a Moody 41 I would certainly consider a Saare 41 AC as a cheap alternative to the Xc42. The boat has a modern hull but also classic lines, the kind that will not grow old and I like that and not only that on the Saare.

The difference in price for the Moody is not that much since on the Moody you have many extras that come already on the Saare. The differences between the Saare and the Moody have to do with more power on the Saare (even if it is heavier), more stability and all the gear you need to have a perfect control of the sails. I would be bored in the Moody with its simplistic sail shape controls. I like the Saare a lot more than the HR 415 that is a lot more expensive.

But if I really had the money to buy a Xc 42 I guess that I would buy a Swedestar 415 instead:D. It has a huge stability and it is much more fun to sail than the Xc42 and comes also with a perfect cruising interior. I would only ask for that transom to be modified, not the hull that I like very much, but the way it is closed. I like it more open. That would not be difficult I am sure.

The Swedestar 415 has everything I like in a sailboat: Fast, comfortable, great upwind, huge stability (including reserve stability) a great cruising interior and of course, it is beautiful in a classic kind of way, one that will grow old with grace. My kind of old men's boat:D

Again, I am not saying that this is the logic choice to everybody. In fact it is not and it is not a question of money but a question of priorities. Money apart: If one dreams to sail to remote places this is not the indicated boat; If someone dreams to cruise and win races at top level, this is not the best boat either; If someone dreams to solo sail on the trade winds at planning speeds, this is not the right boat in fact this is not the right boat for most sailors just for some among them me and even in what regards me I am pretty sure that it would not be my ideal boat if I had 35 (I would want something more explosive and fast). T can see it as a boat for getting old with style and without being bored sailing slowly;).

But I an not the only one that likes that boat. Just look at what the different test sailors said about it:
The Swedestar and Saare are both interesting options indeed; amazing how many low volume producers still going in Scandanavia with a common theme of stylish but traditional lines - nothing too trendy ! I'd like to step onto both for a good look around and take them for a sail.

I have never seen a Comfortina 39 in the flesh but that also has some nice features at a sensible price (but don't like the twin back stays to bottom edge of the transom - certain aesthetics like that would be a deal breaker for me !)

The challenge is to contemplate how these yachts will deliver on what we really want & need from them for much of the time we're on them. An experienced sailor friend recently bought a near new Arcona 400 and took it to the Med; found it much too lively (shorthanded) in a Biscay gale and for coastal cruising with most time at anchor is thinking 10 tonnes of displacement might have been better than 7 for a comfortable cruising experience, despite the performance loss.

I like what Moody have done with the 41AC - it does sit apart from the pack of production designs but whenever I look at it can't help but think it would have benefited from some more spring in the sheer such as with the HR412 to give that big volume hull a little more "life".

cheers
 
#3,812 ·
Re: Allures 45

Paulo,

What are you thoughts on having teak (or whatever teak looking materials are in use these days) on the decks?

I prefer less maintenance when given the choice and perhaps wouldn't mind it in the cockpit, but I'm not big on it covering the entire deck.

That's a beautiful Allure!
 
#3,814 · (Edited)
Teak and cork.

Paulo,

What are you thoughts on having teak (or whatever teak looking materials are in use these days) on the decks?

I prefer less maintenance when given the choice and perhaps wouldn't mind it in the cockpit, but I'm not big on it covering the entire deck.
As you know many use teak on boats in Europe. I had teak on my previous boat (bought new and sold 8 years later). I don't think it is a problem in what regards maintenance at least for the first 10 to 15 years and many that buy the boats new (and chose to have teak) will probably sold the boat well before having any problem with maintenance.

I guess that teak makes sense on the North of Europe, it gives a warmer fell, improves the isolation and it is a non-skid material. On the South of Europe, even if it is widely used it makes no sense because on sunny days you cannot stand with naked feet over it: Too hot.

Besides that my other criticism regards the way teak has to catch dust. It makes it difficult to clean.

Regarding other materials, most of them are some sort of plastic material imitating teak. Plastic has problems with UV and I fear none of them will last as longer as teak. There is one exception and that is cork. As you probably now cork is the bark of a type of Oak, very common here in Portugal.

It is a much better insulator than wood, it has very interesting properties and I believe sooner or later somebody will find a derived material that would be perfect for decks. There are several brands that work with cork, that is much less expensive than teak and much more easy to replace. I really don't know why it is not more used, maybe because it does not look like teak.

Of course you can have a fiberglass deck and that is what I have now but teak and specially cork make for a more comfortable one.

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Regards

Paulo
 
#3,816 ·
Re: Adventure 40

I hate it when I get to the last post!

Anyway, I thought some of you might be interested in a thread about a boat project being contemplated. I've found it very enlightening in terms of thought process that goes into some decisions.

It's a 16 part series....so far.

Series: Boat Design & Selection - Adventure 40 «

Enjoy!

paul
I've also been following that site and the Adventure 40 discussions - all very thoughtful with great input from an experienced readership as to what works on boats / what doesn't and also what's essential and what's just "nice to have" - its almost like an online update for all the stuff comprehensively discussed in Steve Dashews Offshore Cruising Encyclopedia (a must have book for any serious cruiser even though it was published 15 years ago; it picks up well the whole trend to lighter and faster cruising yachts).

Now that the equipment specs and design parameters have been well defined it will be interesting to see which naval architect actually designs the Adventure 40's lines, as this will be the critical factor for project lift-off. Bob Perry has been suggested which would be a good thing - he has an interest in well-founded projects from the sailing community and his general design ethos sits well with my interpretation of this project.

re Bob Perry I was catching up with some of his refreshing & candid design reviews on Sailing mag's website the other day (there's a huge archive of his reviews there); he reads plans very well and offers a balanced view of design trade-offs. He's also a regular contributor to Cruising Anarchy.

cheers
 
#3,821 · (Edited)
Guillaume Verdier



Marc Van Peteghem and Vincent Lauriot-Prévost are specialists in the design of racing and cruising multihulls. They are the ones that developed with Alain Thebault the Hydroptere, the Trimaram BMW Oracle (winner of last America's cup), and the best racing trimarans among them Groupama, Crepes Whahou and more recently the giant tri Prince de la Bretagne. They also design cruising monohulls among them the entire line of Lagoons, the Sig cats as well as some very big cruising cats.

VPLP Yacht Design - Welcome

They had centered their talents on multihulls design and have no designs of cruising mono-hulls.

I am just guessing but I believe that the recent victories in Open 60 designed by them and Verdier has much more to do with Verdier then with them.

Guillaume verdier is a young very talented NA with experience in designing racing and cruising monohulls and multihulls, many in collaboration with VPLP.

He is behind the NZ america's Cup AC72. In what regards cruising his major design is the Shipman 63, working for J&J. The problem with young NA is that in what regards cruising the projects come to the hands of major firms, like J&J or VPLP and then they give them to younger and talented NA for developing in their name;)

But it is only a question of time for Verdier to become a big one by its own name. I bet that we will see a lot more of winning racers come out of his mind before we see a major brand call him to design a big production boat.

You have to remember that the French have a big number of talented major NA and an even bigger number of talented young NA. Among all them it is difficult to make a living:D. I guess that he is very well with VPLP and it is a signal of respect and honesty from VPLP (a great name in boat design) allowing the winning Vendee Globe boats to be credited to VPLP/Verdier.

An interesting interview:

guillaume verdier - architecture navale - VG 2012. Diffrences de conception...

guillaume verdier - architecture navale - Introduction Projets

Regards

Paulo
 
#3,824 ·
Re: Teak and cork.

Cork? Interesting. Not sure how I feel about its looks. Definitely like it better with the darker contrasting material. I wonder if it's any cooler under your feet?

I think the only reason I like the teak (ish) look is that it breaks up the monotony of a solid colored deck. Good point regarding some areas painted grey (anti-slip?). I would think it would have the same pleasing look to my eye.
 
#3,829 · (Edited)
New CR 380DS

I have posted already about this boat that among the ones that want a relatively fast, high quality 38ft DS, and have the money for it, it is a an interesting option. It is on the water;)

The interiors, as usually on CR, look very nicely done with a great living space. The hull is very modern, the boat is not heavy for a 38ft DS (7.700 kg) specially if we consider the boat has around 3000kg of ballast. It has a moderate beam (3.63m) with the beam brought aft. With a very good B/D ratio and a modern keel this boat will have a lot of power and with 78sqm of sail area will leave many cruising boats on its wake.

The boat is not ugly but I guess that the cabin could have a nicer design. As it is it does not really look traditional neither modern.











 
#3,834 ·
Re: New CR 380DS

I have posted already about this boat that among the ones that want a relatively fast, high quality 38ft DS, and have the money for it, it is a an interesting option. It is on the water;)

The interiors, as usually on CR, look very nicely done with a great living space. The hull is very modern, the boat is not heavy for a 38ft DS (7.700 kg) specially if we consider the boat has around 3000kg of ballast. It has a moderate beam (3.63m) with the beam brought aft. With a very good B/D ratio and a modern keel this boat will have a lot of power and with 78sqm of sail area will leave many cruising boats on its wake.

The boat is not ugly but I guess that the cabin could have a nicer design. As it is it does not really look traditional neither modern.











What are all of you thinking about how far forward the galley is on this boat?
Starting to get into the forward half of the boat and motion starts to go up. On our last boat, Mason 44 the head was in that location and I had a hard time holding on while taking a pee. You know one hand for the boat one for yourself. I thinking that all that NZ coffee on passage might end up on my bare feet when brewing some up while on passage. Nice looking galley though but a bit short on counter space when you are using the sink too.

Cheers.
 
#3,830 ·
The cork deck is somewhat intriguing, but I doubt it has the impactresistence needed to keep the cork surface intact. It is an agglomerated cork product, sort of like particleboard, and the key is the glue used to hold the bits of cork together. Once the surface is compromised (by falling tools, winches, etc. ) particles will break out and compromise the rest of the deck. This type of technology has been used for a while in winecorks (mostly because it is cheaper and TCA control is better). But those adhesives harden over time, and are not very UV resistent and prone to discoloration. I am sure corkdeck has better UV properties than the adhesives used in agglomerated winecorks, but that remains to be seen. I haven't been able to find any pics of older decks and the effect of weathering, only newly installed. I wonder why?
But why bother, give me a fiberglass deck with good non -skid, it's cheaper and (almost) maintenance free.
 
#3,832 ·
Yes, it does. However, I'm a bit surprised at these titbits from the text:

Bolt 37 is a thoroughbred racing yacht
And then a bit later:

Aimed squarely at the owner who while being excited by the TP's and 40' Racers on the market, chooses to apportion a much smaller budget to their racing and be closer in speed to the production cruiser-racers which make up a typical local fleet.
Are they saying that it's not a "thoroughbred" after all, but merely an extremely spartan "cruiser"/racer?
 
#3,838 · (Edited)
Downwind (big) racer:



What can I say? it is evident and already proved that this shape of hull can generate more power and be faster downwind so it will be a very suceseful sailboat on a 95% downwind race, if well designed, and I have no doubts that Reichel / Pugh will not miss it. So we have a winner.

Well, I guess that I am more an upwind man, so I don't have to like it:D









Curiously the boat is relatively narrow, will have a very small wet surface and a very good performance in light winds. I wonder if a hull shape like the one of the last 100ft from Finot, more beamier, will not be faster with stronger winds. This is not a race boat but I can imagine a race boat along those lines for racing downwind on the trade winds.. It would be hugely powerful and even if not particularly fast upwind or with light winds, on the the trade winds should be quite a rocket. Curiously, even if much more beamier I like more the hull shape, specially the bow:D







 
#3,839 · (Edited)
Solo circumnavigation

Another solo circumnavigation in a small sailboat successively completed in an inexpensively used 40class racer. It is the first Chinese to complete the journey and he has done that on the fast lane: 137days 20 hours, about the time that American old guy want to achieve in a much bigger and hugely more expensive sailboat.





48 years old Guo Chuan is a very curious guy. First stange thing about him is that he only set foot on a sailboat at the age of 33. The second thing is that the guy was a space engineer with a master's degree in aircraft control at Beijing University of Aeronautics and Astronautics, and an MBA at Peking University and used to work at commercial satellite launch projects in China. Third and probably more odd thing is that, starting at 33, letting go his lucrative profession, he managed to be the first professional sailor in China. That is not only odd but admirably: A passionate guy for sure.

Of course for doing that he started as an amateur as many that want to become professional ocean racing sailors. He had done in 2006 the Clipper Round the World, more seriously and already as a professional he had made the VOLVO Ocean Race in 2008-2009. More recently (2011) the first Chinese to participate in the Mini Transat and successfully finish it.

Curiously I guess that the fact that China is interested in sailing, particularly offshore sailing and the fact they lack good offshore sailors helped him to become a professional. In France there are hundreds of talented offshore sailors trying to become professionals and that makes things harder.

Anyway, congratulations to him that set a new record for solo circumnavigation on a 40ft sailboat.

I wonder how much time it will take for having a circumnavigation non stop race in 40 class racers? I guess they could make that as an initiation class on the Vendee Globe. Doing that on a 60ft Open class boat is not an adventure anymore but just a great race. They could open the more adventurous side again opening that to 40ft racing boats. can you Imagine what would be a Vendee Globe with 20 Open 60 plus 30 40class racers? The density of the interest and day to day news would increase dramatically. ;)
 
#3,843 · (Edited)
Van de Stadt Design

Not sure if this has been posted, but they look like interesting blue water cruisers. They can build aluminum hulls and retracting keels across a broad range of sizes.

Van de Stadt Design - Image 47

They also have what they call a "SwingRig" in which the mast rotates. Can't imagine that makes for a water tight deck. But they claim as a result, their main sails can keep up with rigs using spinnakers.
 
#3,844 · (Edited)
To tell you the truth I am not a big fan of Stadt design. I mean I was, regarding Van de stadt and his designs and his time (till 1978) but the days where his boats won the Fastnet race (1952) are long gone. He was a daring designer and ahead of his time. I don't think that can be said about Stadt design today.

I don't like particularly the design you mention (sorry about that:():

http://stadtdesign.com/designs/custom_yachts/image_47/3





I like more their work on bigger yachts, the ones they call Stadships:







I like particularly this one.

Regards

Paulo
 
#3,847 ·
Pilot (Dog) House / Deck Saloons etc - Vilm 115

The interesting thing about the CR 380DS is how difficult it is to get the aesthetics right on a hull of that size, even if the interior spaces work out ok.

I recall comments by Chuck Paine when he was doing his fast cruiser designs, saying the trick with raised-seating deck saloons is getting the visual bulk into the back half of the hull and integrating well with the cockpit/coaming profile - very hard to do under 48 ft he said - probably why Southerly put so much work into the design of curved deck mouldings for their smaller yachts.

This new design Vilm 115 caught my eye - deigned by Judel/Vrolijk - never heard of the yard and don't think this has been built yet, but they have a lot of models listed (no website in english). I've always liked JV's designs and they've done a reasonable job with a dog-house on a yacht of this size - a nice design for gentle weekend cruising when you're 70+ :)

I like the big and well protected cockpit (sun and wind) - esp if you're going to have a soft dodger up full-time; also a huge galley and heads (like the HR372) but the compromise is a saloon pushed well forward with mast post through middle of the table (not ideal and a throw back to the IOR pin-tails when tiny mains and huge genoas meant rigs were set well aft). Fwd cabin also tight; aft cabin looks large but must have quite a bit of cockpit moulding intruding into that space.

Performance looks like it will be ok from the stats and hull drawings

LOA 11.09 m
LWL 9.76m
Beam 3.54 m
Draft 1.60 m
Displ 7,200 kg
Ballast 2,550 kg
Sail area 71 m²

A bit light on ballast though @ 35% (vs XC 38 @ 43% and HR372 @ 39%) which coupled with shoal draft and dog house windage won't make this an upwind performer

They also have plans for same hull without dog-house (I see these designs being called pilot houses in Europe, but agree with U.S. terminology here - if you can't steer from it then its only shelter so a dog-house !)

Presumably a drop-down transom platform but not shown. Would be a bit nervous of a rudder that looks like it's at full keel draft ! I happily go to shallow waters but only if a spade rudder is at least a foot shorter than the keel !

Having gone to the trouble of plans from JV it's a shame its not being built by a better known yard - saw mention of EUR200k in the water. Moody would probably do ok producing the 2 versions of this yacht.

cheers







 
#3,848 · (Edited)
Vilm Yachts

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Having gone to the trouble of plans from JV it's a shame its not being built by a better known yard - saw mention of EUR200k in the water. Moody would probably do ok producing the 2 versions of this yacht.

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Nice post:). I agree with what you say except the above. I would rather put my trust om Vilm, that is an old familiar high quality company, than in Moody that has been bought by Hanse, that has a good quality but an industrial set up without the same quality for detail. Vilm shipyard has its origins on the XIX century.

Vilm is an old brand and I guess it is struggling for surviving. I have saw some of their boats and talk to the builder and I can only say good things. The problem is that this was a RDA company. When Germany unified itself the prices of RDA products raised sharply and the Vilm that was a good quality nice priced boat saw itself competing in price with the North European boats, that have a similar quality.

About one year ago I had posted about those new Vilm:

Vilm goes modern, but not much:D: The German brand new models, the 115 and the 37 have not skeg rudders anymore and have a ballasted fin keel. Both boats share the same hull.

The boats look conservative but modern thanks to the Drawings of judel and vrolijk. Vilm are known to be well built and strong and I believe this two new models will open the Brand to a more vast number of sailors, provided they have the money for it because the Vilm are not cheap:D





The last well known boats with a good design but one that comes back from the last decades of the last century was the Vilm 101 and Vilm 117. The boats were well appreciated and the 116 (that is basically the 117) won 2002 contest for Best Production Cruiser Over $200,000 on Cruising World magazine.

Best Production Cruiser Over $200,000: Vilm 116 | Cruising World

Vilm 116 Sailboat Review | Cruising World

The 116 had been for many years their main boat but I really liked the more recent 101, a small swallow water cruiser intended for coastal and offshore work:











From then the company has made an erratic route with several boats made in very small number:

A 40ft, made in two versions, decksaloon and cruiser:



Yacht Charter Vilm 41 DS (2Cab) - Sailing Yacht in Rügen / Lauterbach - Germany

a nice Vilm 34:



http://www.agora-yachtcharter.com/triplast/yacht-charter-vilm-34

But the problem seems that they cannot find their own way and a market for their boats. I guess that they should concentrate on the type of boat you posted and try to lower down production costs maintaining the quality. Making a lot of different boats in a small company does not help doing that.

I hope they find their way and manage to survive. They have a nice history behind, a tradition of quality and some great boats produced.

http://inter-yacht.com/Vilm/VilmRendezvous/

the new design is a nice one. I agree with you regarding the B/D ratio. I would maintain the ballast and would increase the draft to 2,00m. That would not give it a lot more stability as would solve the problem with the rudder at almost the same level as the keel. But this is a custom boat company and I am quite they would have no trouble in doing that.

Regards

Paulo
 
#3,850 ·
Bridge to Bridge race.

Never heard about this one but it seems just such a coll idea, kind off: if you think you sail fast just appear and we will see:D

I guess that t I missed it because I was on my cruising time;)

First to arrive were seven kite surfers then one wind surfer. The Hydroptere was there but started before time and did not finish? and the America's cup 45 where to show up but stayed at home. Shame , it would be nice to see what was their comparative performance.

This seems to be such a great idea for all that love speed sailing, no matter the boat or means that it is hard to understand why there is not more types of boats racing, just for the fun of it. I hope this race grows fast in number of participants, types of boats and media attention. It has all the ingredients to become a classic sail speed race...if only the Americans liked more sailing, I mean the general public. But I guess that a good movie and TV coverage of a race like this can contribute to that: Speed is always spectacular.

Ronstan Bridge to Bridge Race at St. Francis Yacht Club - Yachts and Yachting Online

 
#3,852 ·
Moide:
It most probably means that the hull has not been changed but there have been changes made to the deck and or the interior layout. Sometimes it can indicate minor changes to the original hull tooling like the addition of a swim step aft. There is no standard definition for what "MkII " means.
 
#3,853 · (Edited)
Hi Bob! You are very welcomed here:). I agree. Yes, around these parts that it is also what it means, a second version of a previous model and as you say normally the hull remains even if the keel, ruder and sometimes the transom are modified.

Today most brands prefer not to use that denomination anymore and just pretend that a MKII is a completely new boat.:D That's better for marketing: Most will prefer to have a completely new boat than a second version of a previous model even if sometimes the hull is still quite modern and up to date in what regards performance.

sometimes with the same hull some brands manage to produce quite different looking boats, in the interior and on the outside look. That is the case for instance regarding the Salona 38 that could be called 37 MKII instead.

I talked with them when they were designing the 38 to know if they were using the same hull or not and after what seemed to me an hesitation they opted for the same hull and asked Ker to design a new keel and ruder. The reason was that the 37 was still winning races at top level (and is still a very competitive boat) so they decided to modernize the look of the boat, give it a better interior, work on the appendices rather than having a new design that could perform not so well.

But as most that buy their boats are not racers and don't know that the 37 is still a very fast boat, if they called it 37MK II, they would not seel it so well, so....the "new" Salona 38 appeared on the market:D



 
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