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03-26-2013 03:09 PM
doogymon
Re: Canadians: Station License or not?

Maritime Radio Licensing Requirements for Canadians

Licence<---refers to the Radio Station Equipment. Nothing to do with an authorization for using/operating" a two way marine radio.

Do I need a licence for the marine radio equipment on board my vessel?
Depends. You will not require a licence (Licence Exemption) if you meet both of the following criteria:
1. the vessel is not operated in the sovereign waters of a country other than Canada.
2. the radio equipment on board is maritime communications or marine navigation frequencies only.
Industry Canada RBR-2 — Technical Requirements for the Operation of Mobile Stations in the Maritime Service - Spectrum Management and Telecommunications (RBR-2)

Certification <-----refers to the authorization for using/operating" a two way marine radio.
Do I still require a Radio Operator Certificate?
Yes. The Radio Operator Certificate (ROC-M for pleasure boaters) is still a requirement for anyone who may be operating the mobile maritime radio equipment, regardless of whether a radio licence is required. In other words, always.
If I use a single-sideband (SSB) radio equipment on my vessel, will I require a licence?
Depends. If the frequencies used on SSB are in the maritime mobile band and you are sailing as per exemption, no. If outside this band, Yes a licence will be required. If in International waters, Yes. And of course you will need your ROC-M as always.
If I have radar on board my ship, will I require a licence?
Depends. Most radars operate on frequencies contained within the maritime mobile band and if you are sailing as per
exemption, no. If outside this band, yes a licence will be required. If in International waters,yes. and of course you will need your ROC-M as always. You can verify if your radar operates within this band by referring to RBR-2.

If I was previously issued a call sign, but now meet the exemption criteria, can I continue to use my old call sign?
No. Instead use vessel's name if exempted. The call sign previously issued is no longer valid and should not be used as a means of
identification. Yes if you have licensed station. Power Sail Squadron recommends Vessel name + Industry Canada issued Callsign.
I have a radio installed on board my vessel which operates on frequencies outside the maritime mobile band. Do I require a radio licence?
Yes. However if we are talking Ham, in Canada they call Amateur Radio authorizations "operator certificates" as they did away with Station Licences.

Portable Radios
I have a portable radio(s) which operates in the maritime mobile band that I use on board my vessel for communicating with my dingy or for docking, etc. Do I need a radio licence for it?
Depends. If you have one or more portables which operate in the maritime mobile band, and which meet the exemption criteria, a radio licence is Not required. If in International waters, Yes. and of course you will need your ROC-M as always. I use a portable radio on board my vessel that operates on frequencies outside the maritime mobile band. Do I require a radio licence?
Yes, however if we are talking Ham, in Canada they call Amateur Radio authorizations "operator certificates" as they did away with Station

Licences.
I have a portable radio on board my vessel which operates in the maritime mobile band. Can I also use this on land?
Never. The intent of the maritime mobile bands is to provide safety communications to ships or vessels. Only specifically authorized stations (IC/FCC) , are allowed to use radio equipment on land. Unauthorized use could have a serious impact on the effectiveness of this safety service.
Can I use maritime radio equipment on land or in my vehicle for personal use?
No., maritime radio equipment should not be operated on land or in vehicles for personal use. The intent of the maritime mobile bands is toprovide safety communications to vessels. The Coast Guard is the primary user for fixed Maritime. Sometimes marinas and yacht clubs receive authority to use maritime land based stations but they will be paying a yearly Station Licence fee for that privilege if granted.
Does the licence exemption apply to everyone, including safety services and commercial operations?
Yes.
Will compulsorily fitted vessels still require a radio licence?
No, as long as the exemption criteria is met, i.e Operating in Canada. Operators need certifications of course.
Will marina radio equipment and other land-based radios which operate in the maritime mobile bands also be exempt from the requirement of a licence?
No Fixed base stations installed at, for example, marinas or yacht clubs will still require a radio licence. The exemption applies only to stations on board a ship or vessel (Mobile).

How do I obtain a ROC-M operators certificate?
In Canada as a Canadian you phone up the local Power Sail Squadron.

How do I get my Station Licence for all of the above (VHF Marine, SSB , Radar, etc) and how much do I pay?
http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/s...g/sf08764.html <-------Form IC-3020
http://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/smt-gst...g/sf01742.html <-----------Where to send

Initial Fee= approx $50.00
Renewal= $36.00


Equipment Certification <-----------------this refers to the actual equipment meeting Canadian technical standards
All transmitting devices (Radio Apparatus) must have a sticker affixed to it called a TAC. The label will have initials IC plus a number.
If a two way radio from a foreign country is installed and being used in the country not intended for, problems like improper band plan frequency programming could occur. If poor design/manufacturing standards are used, spurious emmissions may result and could pollute very important bands like the Maritime Band. BTW, FCC Certification does not mean IC certification. Have you ever looked the differences in The Canadian Maritime band versus the American? How about GMRS radios? Even the ham band is a bit different.

What do the Professional Sailors have for Operator Certificates in Canada?
GOC, ROC-MC and other legacy certifications.

Did you ever wonder why a professional occupation existed and exists called Ship's Radio Officer?
03-26-2013 01:42 PM
jackdale
Re: Canadians: Station License or not?

Bahamas cruising permit - from Noonsite (great site)

Quote:
Cruising Permits
The Cruising Permit, form C39, (transire) is issued on arrival is valid for 12 months. The current fees now permit multiple entries during any 90-day period, which means that a vessel may leave the Bahamas and re-enter as many times as they like within the first 90 days of a Cruising Permit's validity, without payment of any additional fee.

Yachts may remain in The Bahamas for a maximum of three years, but yearly extensions after the first year must be obtained from Bahamas Customs in Nassau. Each extension costs $500 payable by bank draft in favour of "The Public Treasury". Procedures for the extension should be started before the expiry of the current permit. Letters of request should be addressed to: Comptroller of Customs, P O Box N.155, Nassau. The number of the existing permit should be quoted and a copy enclosed for reference. More information available by calling (800)327-7678.

The cruising permit gives permission to visit all other islands in the Bahamas archipelago. The permit must be presented to officials if requested at any port visited or if boarded by the Royal Bahamas Defence Force. The permit must be retained on board at all times until the cruise is finished, then handed back at the port of exit. If for any reason one is unable to clear outbound, which is not required, the permit should be mailed back from the next destination. Immigration papers should also be returned on exit.
03-26-2013 01:24 PM
Ritchard
Re: Canadians: Station License or not?

Quote:
Originally Posted by flandria View Post
Next, a cruising permit such as the Bahamas?
You mean a US cruising permit, like this:

03-26-2013 11:43 AM
flandria
Re: Canadians: Station License or not?

Jackdale and Ritchard... Thanks, I think I got it. (I think Jackdale's comment about the VHF license still applies, since I would need my VHF license to operate a VHF on someone else's (Station Licensed) boat. Interesting, though, that I was totally unaware of the need for a Station License when operating in the U.S.. I wonder how many of the Canadian Lake Ontario sailors who head south across the lake on weekends to go anchoring comply with this. I am afraid I am not the only one who was ignorant. There was a time, pre-9/11, when you could get a permit to enter the U.S. with your vessel reasonably easily... All past history now, unfortunately. The bureaucratic burdens of the ordinary life are ever increasing, even for those intrepid, free-spirited sail-bums... It seems that anyone of us, at any time, can be in trouble on any number of "technicalities". Next, a cruising permit such as the Bahamas?
03-26-2013 11:23 AM
Ritchard
Re: Canadians: Station License or not?

I'd still like some anecdotal commentary about enforcement. The advice above to not fool around is good, solid, very conservative advice. I wonder if it is in fact too conservative.
03-26-2013 11:20 AM
jackdale
Re: Canadians: Station License or not?

Ritchard

My three answer needs to be considered together.
03-26-2013 10:42 AM
Ritchard
Re: Canadians: Station License or not?

Forgive me, but I believe Jackdale is once again in error about the first part of the question above.

flandria asks:

"I do have the VHF operator license required in Canada. I understand from comments given that this is sufficient to operate a VHF in the U.S. Someone say true or false."

Jackdale responds true. It is not. To operate the radio (or even operate your boat with a radio affixed) in the US, you need a Canada issued Station License.

The next statement which contradicts the first is in fact the correct answer. Industry Canada issues the license - see my link above. This link:

IC-3020 — Application for a Maritime Mobile Radio Station Licence - Spectrum Management and Telecommunications

Is actually an easier to understand application document. It lists a pro-rated application fee depending on the month in which you apply. Which is odd, actually. The recurring fee is presently $36.
03-26-2013 09:47 AM
jimq26
Re: Canadians: Station License or not?

Thank you Jackdale.

Someone who knows has answered your question.

Don't even think of operating your VHF without proper paperwork in place.
03-26-2013 09:35 AM
jackdale
Re: Canadians: Station License or not?

Quote:
Originally Posted by flandria View Post

I do have the VHF operator license required in Canada. I understand from comments given that this is sufficient to operate a VHF in the U.S. Someone say true or false.
True

Quote:

When entering the U.S., I conclude from the comments that my boat will need a Station License. True or false? Is this a license issued by U.S. authorities, or Canadian? Where to apply? Is this, like the Canadian VHF license, a one-time charge or a recurring cost? Will precise answers to these questions explain the entire issue?
True and there is annual fee.

Quote:


When all is said and done, my strong recommendation to anyone is: comply with the rules since you may run a risk of having your vessel (if not yourself) impounded when found in breach. We should not be cavalier, given that the officials you may be dealing with will most certainly not be, either!
True
03-26-2013 09:32 AM
jackdale
Re: Canadians: Station License or not?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ritchard View Post
Respectfully, you appear to be contradicting yourself. Your message above quotes the regs that say that if you operate only in Sovereign Canadian waters your ROC is equivalent. If you go to the US, you are not operating in those Cdn waters, and therefore require a station license.
I was answering a specific question about ROC(M)s.

Your Canadian ROC(M) is sufficient as an operator certificate. You do not require, nor is there an international operator's certificate. The Canadian station license is required in in international waters and your need an ROC(M) is get one.
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