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03-28-2013 09:54 PM
Brent Swain
Re: First they took the TBT....now they want the paint!

I used to use TBTF. Found it useless compared to copper. I use a good epoxy barrier coat under it on the rare occasions when I use antifouling , twice in 29 years.Glad I live on a twin keeler in an area of 17 ft tides. I find the US easy to avoid when sailing south.
03-28-2013 09:37 PM
Fstbttms
Re: First they took the TBT....now they want the paint!

Yeah, but it's so much easier to bitch about cow farts than to actually accept that the old way ain't necessarily the best way.
03-28-2013 08:43 PM
mad_machine
Re: First they took the TBT....now they want the paint!

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The real reason the EPA regulates paint so heavily is that it is a visible industry which can be regulated and taxed. Some pretty good arguments have been made that the net sum of methane gas (VOC) from dog and cats farting exceeds that of paint by a large amount. Nobody is talking about eliminating dogs and cats to help out the environment. Don't even get me started about cows.

Paint is a very visable industry.. because on any given week, there are millions of boats, cars, and homes being painted. Not to mention furniture, planes, toys, models.. almost anything. That is a LOT of volitile fumes being given off at any one time...
03-28-2013 08:00 PM
downeast450
Re: First they took the TBT....now they want the paint!

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No VOC or low VOC coatings are a joke. I get eliminating tin and reducing copper which can be toxic to marine life but low VOC? First off, low VOC means low non-exempt VOCs. Do you realize acetone is an EXEMPT VOC. Yes that's right, it is exempt because the cosmetics industry lobbied to exempt it. Ever notice the sweet smell in some of the new low VOC paints?

Low VOC does not always mean it is safer for you to work with. It just means it does not emit an ozone depleting organic compound.

The real reason the EPA regulates paint so heavily is that it is a visible industry which can be regulated and taxed. Some pretty good arguments have been made that the net sum of methane gas (VOC) from dog and cats farting exceeds that of paint by a large amount. Nobody is talking about eliminating dogs and cats to help out the environment. Don't even get me started about cows.
Lowering VOC emissions might be considered "a joke" but the coatings themselves are not. They work quite well.

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03-28-2013 01:31 PM
One
Re: First they took the TBT....now they want the paint!

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How do they keep it from eating the steel hulls?
A primer? An epoxy primer, perhaps?
03-28-2013 01:13 PM
Fstbttms
Re: First they took the TBT....now they want the paint!

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How do they keep it from eating the steel hulls?
Primer.
03-28-2013 01:05 PM
SloopJonB
Re: First they took the TBT....now they want the paint!

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Commercial ships use copper-based paints just like everybody else. TbT-based paints have been banned on all vessels worldwide since 2008.
How do they keep it from eating the steel hulls?
03-28-2013 11:29 AM
Fstbttms
Re: First they took the TBT....now they want the paint!

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So they ban TBTF for small boats but it's O/K to use on thousand foot freighters?
Commercial ships use copper-based paints just like everybody else. TbT-based paints have been banned on all vessels worldwide since 2008.
03-28-2013 11:26 AM
Fstbttms
Re: First they took the TBT....now they want the paint!

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I don't know how many cargo ships go in and out of SF bay every day, but I would bet that the copper leeched off their hulls... far outweigh the recreational boats.
That's a bet you would lose.
03-28-2013 11:21 AM
Fstbttms
Re: First they took the TBT....now they want the paint!

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Originally Posted by billyruffn View Post
Caveat: No, I'm not making this up!

The government is after more than your guns and 32 oz soda pop! The EPA is now coming for your bottom paint. And I don't mean that they want to take the copper out becauses it may change the sex of mollusks.....the SOB's now are trying to force us to be green (as in the moss that will grow on your hull) by limiting the amount of anti-fouling we can use.
Don't be ridiculous. California has had strict VOC regulations for a long time. Do you think anybody here has any problem getting anti fouling paint for their boat? Of course not. There are many low-VOC anti fouling paint products available and I'm not talking about water-based paints either. The manufacturers are not idiots. They will have paints on the shelves that meet your state's new regulations and your yard will have no problem painting every boat that comes in.
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