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2 Days Ago 03:44 AM
downeast450
Re: I-28 Vinyl Headliner Replacement

Today I removed the headliner from my 1977, I-28! So it begins. Condensation problems and some leaks have been obvious for a long time. Removing the liner revealed new curiosities about this boat. The headliner looks original. When I got it down I found some of the handrail fastenings finger tight. Black iron nuts! Some of them had been smeared over with a rubbery sealant material that had long since lost its adhesion to the fg ceiling. Not all of them?? It doesn't make sense that the original builder smeared only half of the nuts with sealant. They could not have been "smeared" unless the headliner was removed and replaced. Who would "fix" leaking thru deck fasteners by covering some of the black iron nuts with goop and then pay for a new headliner? A po got scammed! Me thinks!

Now for the repairs! They will take some time. Re-bedding the hand rails, replacing the portlights, installing a couple of pieces of deck hardware, Probably a two part epoxy "primer" as a temporary finish, two part sprayable marine foam, some kind of headliner. No hurry. NO MORE LEAKS!

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02-01-2015 11:31 PM
510datsun
Re: I-28 Vinyl Headliner Replacement

I added some better pics of the headliner and shelf area. I stained and put a satin finish on the batons and shelf panels.

Hope you like the new pics
01-28-2015 01:20 AM
510datsun
Re: I-28 Vinyl Headliner Replacement

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Originally Posted by gknott View Post
Great work! Thanks for the photos. An ingenious solution to the curved panels at the aft end of the teak panels around the windows. How did you hold the blocks in place while the glue set?
I didn't use glue, I used polyurethane. Poly is very sticky, more so then silicone, and silicone won't seal or adhere to gel-coat. The poly will hold the blocks in place while it cures. I used a tube and tube gun, put a decent dab of poly on and stuck them up where I wanted them. I did hit the spot with a quick scuff and acetone before putting up the blocks.

With two people, some team work, putting up the blocks didn't take long. While they are pretty secured once cured, you can still remove them with a putty knife and mallet, should you not like the locations or wanting a different block thickness.
01-27-2015 03:43 PM
gknott
Re: I-28 Vinyl Headliner Replacement

Great work! Thanks for the photos. An ingenious solution to the curved panels at the aft end of the teak panels around the windows. How did you hold the blocks in place while the glue set?
01-26-2015 02:50 AM
510datsun
Re: I-28 Vinyl Headliner Replacement

Ok, I finally got my interior some what as a finished look. I used white smooth finished FRP for the headliner, secured wood block spacers, used mahogany batons and trim. I used the wood blocks to space the FRP off of the hull and to screw the FRP too. I used some mahogany trim piece I picked up at my local lumber yard and are pretty standard wood trim.

Mahogany trim used




I used the the Mahogany for the trim on the FRP, same as for the batons, but had to router one side of the trim to have both sided with a radius for batons. I couldn't get it with both sides with a radius. You can use the wider popular wood trim with both sides with a radius, but you would have to stain the popular. You can use a popular instead of mahogany if you wanted.

First step to using the FRP is to secure wood blocks in locations to space the FRP off of the hull and to clear hardware. I used polyurethane to secure my blocks. I then measured and cut the FRP. I chose to run the batons length wise so I didn't have to bend my wood batons, but it might be better for the FRP to have them the other way. I had to deal with the FRP wrinkling do to my center hatch. I used a heat gun to remove most, but still have more work to do to get them smoothed out. I didn't insulate my headliner, but adding Styrofoam to the back of the FRP would be easy enough if desired.

So, I did have some panel rot and severe water fade. I thought about removing and installing new wood panel, but Teak panel is expensive, and would be time consuming to do the remove. I had sections of the wood panel that I had to repair. I chose to cut out the rotten sections, woody putty the removed sections, and paint the panel. I know you purest might hate the look, but it was the most economical and time saving option. The interior of the boat is much brighter and cleaner looking. My wife likes the new look better then the, "old dirty, dark, water stained, wood panel", I tend to agree.

Blocks installed like below


Before remodel







You can see the water stains and wood rot in the above picture.

FRP installed but panel not painted


Panel Painted




You can see I put trim against the hull to hold the edge of the FRP. I used a brad staple gun to secure the trim to the hull, becareful on the length and how deep you shoot the brads, don't need them damaging the outer layer of the hull. I used some wood clue and as few brads as possible. On the lower portion of the panel I used a thin 1/2 mahogany trim piece. I then used the 1 1/4 trim, same as the batons, and upper section, to cover the FRP at the inner self. I should have just not put FRP in the self portion. It would be easier to just paint the shelf section and had the 1/2 trim covering the panel edge. I mounted LED strips to the 1 1/4 self trim piece, which also hides the LED. In the last picture, you can see a LED dome light I added, the red and white, 4 brightness levels, touch on/off.

The actual project wasn't to bad, figuring out where all the blocks go and how thick of a block to use took the most time. You have to make patterns for the FRP from thin cardboard of similar. If you skip the FRP in the selves, v-birth, and 1/4 birth, takes 2 sheets of FRP I painted my v-birth, 1/4 birth, and head ceiling and panel, much easier and saved on FRP sheets. Once again, the painting the V-birth, and head, brighten up the drape dark area of the boat.

So, that was my solution and input to the headliner issue.
11-23-2014 10:14 AM
christian.hess
Re: I-28 Vinyl Headliner Replacement

great info...
I cruised on a boat extensively made of paneling inside...it was a steel french boat...almost everything was accessible via panels, the hull and cabin that is

every single panel had glued on vynil or just wood veneer...the vynil covered ones also had BUTTONS each panel was attached via either velcro strips or fasteners or screws

multiply this by the interior area needed to be covered and you can see why its a great idea but MASSIVE job

the captain of this boat did all his interior and said he would never do a job like this again...but he also had to do cabinetry...floors, ceilings, bulkheads etc...everything however the finishing took him waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay longer than he expected
11-23-2014 06:59 AM
masterofnone
Re: I-28 Vinyl Headliner Replacement

Im in the trade so have done a few of these. For starts just to let you know this is the most painful expensive upholstery job you can undertake. The MFA time sheet lists this at 4 hrs per yard of material used. So at a shop rate of say $60 an hour your looking at $275-$300 per yard is what your saving by doing it yourself.

My favorite method of doing headliners would be with foamboard panels. The pvc foamboard is wonderful stuff. Its super light, easy to cut and tool, takes fasteners with a good grip and with a heat gun can be molded into curves and recesses. The sheets come in 1/4" , 1/2" , and 3/4". Ideally these would be installed with the fastmount system


The fastmount allows the panels to be pulled down for access to those bolts that you wanted to get at. Over the foamboard a perforated or solid foam backed vinyl is typically used. Its a pita to glue even to panels but leaves a nice comfortable finish. With the panel system the vinyl can be rolled over the edges and stapled so its not considered unsupported vinyl. Which very few adhesives work for.

Just my two cents. anyway you do it remember this is a high dollar venture that your doing yourself. I price glue up vinyl so high I hope to never get another. Its that bad.
11-22-2014 11:26 PM
christian.hess
Re: I-28 Vinyl Headliner Replacement

bingo...I know I can fetch more money for my boat for example with just some interior decoration(headliner, trim...more fairing.

but when youre out of $$$ you pretty much cant so Ill wait with my temporary solution

FOR NOW! jajaja
11-21-2014 05:13 PM
510datsun
Re: I-28 Vinyl Headliner Replacement

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Originally Posted by christian.hess View Post
downeast thats what I did on my 36, temporary but with wood trim and some fairing the white celing paint and white sides brightened my interior 1000%

even in the tropics my old interior was damp, old and very dark with all the brown vynil and brown dark plywood veneer on the sides
I think this is the best overall solution and you can always add a headliner of your choice and method. The advantage to having just paint is you don't trap any water, you can see where you have leaks, less mold possibilities, choose your color, less money for parts, can be done with one person, and gives a brighter roomier feel to the interior. However, not as of refined finished appearance to the interior. Just have to ask yourself what is the boat actually worth, personal attachment left out, we all love our boats, but not everyone love our boats as we do when shelling out the bucks to buy.
11-20-2014 10:27 AM
christian.hess
Re: I-28 Vinyl Headliner Replacement

downeast thats what I did on my 36, temporary but with wood trim and some fairing the white celing paint and white sides brightened my interior 1000%

even in the tropics my old interior was damp, old and very dark with all the brown vynil and brown dark plywood veneer on the sides
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