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04-04-2013 12:17 PM
krisscross
Re: Is Sailing an Elitist Sport?

Most sailboats and sailors I have seen on the water are far from elitist. Very nice, warm and friendly, down to earth people.
04-04-2013 12:09 PM
outbound
Re: Is Sailing an Elitist Sport?

Rather watch the posts from Paulo and others of the single handed ocean sailors. Those guys are
1. nuts
2. real sailors dealing with real weather
3.have my never ending respect given their skill set and self reliance.

See the rigid sail multi hull crowd are very athletic, dealing with cutting edge technologies and fun to watch briefly. Unfortunately, it leaves me cold. Kind of like basketball now that the professional game is so unlike any we used to play in the pick up games of my youth.
04-04-2013 10:49 AM
Capt.aaron
Re: Is Sailing an Elitist Sport?

Quote:
Originally Posted by PCP View Post
Sport is a sport and that is about that we are talking about, not cruising or living in a boat as a life style.

Why expensive? You don't need to have a boat you can race in a sailing club with the boats owned by the sailing community. Most, regarding this discussion will be thinking in racing big boats but you can have as much fun racing a dingy, a kite surf or a windsurf board. That is all sailing and if you compete or take it in a sportive way, it is a sport and a demanding one.

If you are really good at club sailing you will make it to the major league championships and will find sponsors that will pay your sport sailing passion. If you are really good and if that is what you want, you will become a professional and will be paid to make the sport you like as a life style. If you become real good among the professionals there will be sponsors and teams that will be interested in paying you for racing big boats and if you are the cream of the cream they will pay you for skippering big boats, or race alone in them.

Why is this expensive?

It seems to me that you don't like sports, particularly sailing (as a sport) but that is another story

Regards

Paulo
You got me, I don't care for organized sports. Team sports etc. I was the kid who would rather canoe out to the back country by my self or climb a tree, hike to the top of the hill etc., than run around the city park chasing a ball. I did play American Football in J.R high thru High school, and learned dicsipline there. The sport of sailing is indeed elitist, all though my community has free sailing programs for kids. I'd rather teach kids how to sail safely across the bay on a heavy keel boat to explore the other side, than just sail around in a patteren as fast as they can on a light boat for what? to do it faster than the other kid. I compete, with the elements not the dude on the other boat. Actually, I don't really compete the elements, I move with them in Harmony, using them to propell me and my craft across the water to explore the planet....safely.
04-04-2013 09:54 AM
Landcruiser
Re: Is Sailing an Elitist Sport?

From my point of view it is elitist as you wish to make it. I see all sorts of sizes of boats on the Great Lakes, as well as inland lakes. Yes bigger is more money, and more headaches, but plenty of people trailor their 20 footers that they paid next to nothing, or nothing for. My tastes run the gamut, but for us blue collar guys, any boat is better than no boat at all. How many of you recall their first boat with longing, whether it was a sunfish, or whatever, and remember how it was, simple, and fun.....
04-04-2013 09:31 AM
PCP
Re: Is Sailing an Elitist Sport?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Capt.aaron View Post
As soon as you tack the word "sport" to it, it is. Sailing was my solution for an afforadable, rent free, long haul travel, life style. It was really the only way I could afford to live in my 20's. Calling it a sport indicates that it is an extracaricular activity done in the time of ones leisure. For me it has been a way of life, calling it a sport sums up someones attitude towards sailing.
Sport is a sport and that is about that we are talking about, not cruising or living in a boat as a life style.

Why expensive? You don't need to have a boat you can race in a sailing club with the boats owned by the sailing community. Most, regarding this discussion will be thinking in racing big boats but you can have as much fun racing a dingy, a kite surf or a windsurf board. That is all sailing and if you compete or take it in a sportive way, it is a sport and a demanding one.

If you are really good at club sailing you will make it to the major league championships and will find sponsors that will pay your sport sailing passion. If you are really good and if that is what you want, you will become a professional and will be paid to make the sport you like as a life style. If you become real good among the professionals there will be sponsors and teams that will be interested in paying you for racing big boats and if you are the cream of the cream they will pay you for skippering big boats, or race alone in them.

Why is this expensive?

It seems to me that you don't like sports, particularly sailing (as a sport) but that is another story

Regards

Paulo
04-04-2013 09:16 AM
Capt.aaron
Re: Is Sailing an Elitist Sport?

When my Kiwi friend was home for the race, she said the awards ceromony was a no admission public affair for the people, and shook her head when she saw that we sold high price tickets to attend the event here in the states. The "Elitist" concept seems to be an American Attitude.
04-04-2013 09:09 AM
FirstCandC
Re: Is Sailing an Elitist Sport?

Is sailing an elitist sport? I guess it depends on the look on your face when you get the yard bill, or after you check out at West Marine?
04-04-2013 09:00 AM
JonEisberg
Re: Is Sailing an Elitist Sport?

Quote:
Originally Posted by hellosailor View Post

No, seriously...as I recall DC's reputation back then was that he wasn't the best sailor, but that he was an ace at exploiting the rules. Which is, after all, fair play.
i don't know, seems like he was already a pretty accomplished sailor by that time, having already won the AC twice before losing it in '83... I recall lots of chatter that year, suggesting that Conner actually worked a minor miracle to take the series to a 7th race, Ben Lexcen's wing keel being such a design breakthrough making AUSTRALIA II such a superior boat, and that Bertrand really should have won it going away in 4 or 5 races...

But obviously, any AC campaign is such a team sport, the real talent of the guy at the helm can often be disguised by the work of his tactician and crew... Probably the truest measure of Conner's talent at that time, was the fact that he had already won an Olympic Bronze Medal, and 2 World Championships in the Star class... NOBODY wins in a Star - much less on the international level - without being a pretty damn good seat-of-the-pants sailor in their own right...

At any rate, Conner certainly redeemed himself in Freemantle, taking The Cup back in the subsequent challenge. It was a pity the Cup didn't stay down there a bit longer, the racing off Freo when 'The Doctor' came calling was probably some of the most spectacular ever seen in the Cup, with the boats racing in 25 knots of breeze, and big seas... that was some great stuff...
04-03-2013 02:39 PM
Capt.aaron
Re: Is Sailing an Elitist Sport?

As soon as you tack the word "sport" to it, it is. Sailing was my solution for an afforadable, rent free, long haul travel, life style. It was really the only way I could afford to live in my 20's. Calling it a sport indicates that it is an extracaricular activity done in the time of ones leisure. For me it has been a way of life, calling it a sport sums up someones attitude towards sailing.
04-03-2013 01:36 PM
hellosailor
Re: Is Sailing an Elitist Sport?

He wasn't paid to take a dive, his family were being held hostage at a kangaroo ranch.

No, seriously...as I recall DC's reputation back then was that he wasn't the best sailor, but that he was an ace at exploiting the rules. Which is, after all, fair play.
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