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04-11-2013 06:25 PM
Brent Swain
Re: Tea Tree Oil--Any credible 3rd party testing as area biostat?

Used over a long enough time, it gets rid of toenail fungus
04-11-2013 09:42 AM
JimMcGee
Re: Tea Tree Oil--Any credible 3rd party testing as area biostat?

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Originally Posted by Minnewaska View Post
... but only if you have sufficient air movement for the product to make it around, but not so much that you are just ventilating it out of the cabin.
Air circulation is critical to a fair smelling boat. The previous owner installed dorades and a solar fan on our boat and the air movement makes a big difference. At least I notice less mustiness on our boat than other similar boats without them.

Other key sources of odors: old musty cushions (replace), a dirty engine (wash it down with de-greaser, fix fuel/oil leaks), bilge water (dripless shaft seal) and head odors.

I have a wife with a sensitive nose so I've spent a lot of time chasing odors , and while it's anecdotal I've found Kanberra gel to make a big difference. That said I wouldn't mind knowing how it works and if there really is something to their blend or if cheaper varieties work as well.
04-11-2013 07:16 AM
Minnewaska
Re: Tea Tree Oil--Any credible 3rd party testing as area biostat?

Good point on Bernoulli v Newton. That's true. Ironically, they are probably both true at the same time, but some argue for only one.

However, I'm not sure the OP is questioning whether any results are experienced by the users. What is reasonably in question is whether tea tree oil, as disbursed in the air of a room, is actually killing mold or whether its fragrance is just masking odor.

I know the stuff is working on my nose, but would love to know this answer as well.

I have seen Kanberra's moldy bagel demo. They put one in a container with Kanberra and another in an empty container. As expected, the empty container eventually became a moldy bagel and the one with Kanberra did not. That does seem like a reasonable experiment, but whether it translates proportionately to an entire room still interests me.

I hypothesize that it does translate, but only if you have sufficient air movement for the product to make it around, but not so much that you are just ventilating it out of the cabin. I also believe there is a limit and do not think it will cure a boat that has enormous colonies of actively growing mold and you drop an ounce of gel in the middle of the cabin. I also do not think it will work, if you continuously introduce more mold or bacteria odor, such as permeated waste hoses. These are not scientific conclusion, just reasonable hypothesis based upon observations. They could be tested.
04-11-2013 06:59 AM
PalmettoSailor
Re: Tea Tree Oil--Any credible 3rd party testing as area biostat?

Sometimes the science is less important than the results.

There are arguments over whether airplanes fly because of Bernoulli or Newton, but everyone agrees airplanes can fly.

Just sayin'.
04-11-2013 03:45 AM
Minnewaska
Re: Tea Tree Oil--Any credible 3rd party testing as area biostat?

I hope you prove it doesn't work, it would save me a couple hundred bucks per year.

I have three heads that had moldy head odor. If I washed the heads down, including floors, walls, etc, it would go away, so it was just wet humid non-ventilated mustiness. When I first tried it, I put it in one and not the others. Very noticeable difference, the head with the Kanberra smelled clean, the others continued to develop that mustiness. Not a population set large enough to satisfy the scientific method, but more than anecdotal.

I wrote to Kanberra to ask them to compare their product to others on the market and they gave me permission to post their reply in the thread I started on their product years ago. At the least, they were very responsive. They may indeed have what you are looking for.
04-11-2013 01:48 AM
blt2ski
Re: Tea Tree Oil--Any credible 3rd party testing as area biostat?

It does clean out my sinus's with boiling water quite well when I have the flu/sore throat etc. At least for a bit so I can get to sleep any how. Supposidly kept folks during the plague from getting it, or stopping it or something to that effect.

So with this in mind, if it does have some kind of killing, destroying effect on molds and mildows.......It woudl not surprise me.

I personally feel that we humans have tried to rely on too many newer "pills" if you will, that trying and using older remidies like this, will benifit us better in the future. Maybe we can get rid of things that are becoming "penicillon" resistant, or like some mosqitoes, ddt resistant.........

The 30+ year horticulturist in me wonders about things like this. Sometimes one has to try to see if it will work......There is a reason WD-40 is WD-40.....40th try at making a oilfree lubricant at Boeing back in the day. "Pam" came out of the same trials. Did not work on plane parts etc, but worked great from a cooking standpoint! WD-40 probably also leaves nothing to the imagination as to what it became too. That was also back in the day when that company would allow employee's to try something, if it worked but not for the initial test, they helped that person patent it, and even some smallish seed money to get the thing started.

Marty
04-11-2013 12:26 AM
chef2sail
Re: Tea Tree Oil--Any credible 3rd party testing as area biostat?

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I, too, have made my own special concoction to help rid the boat of mildew. I use a combination of vinegar, and Teatree oil. It seems to have worked well so far, I cleaned the boat about four weeks ago, and still haven't seen any growing back inside, despite me not being there for sometime. Does that mean that might solution actually works? Only time will tell.
I haven't cleaned with the tree oil, but just have the Kanberra gel in various parts of the boat. Its not just tree oil also. It has a very specific mix of ingredients.

Dave
04-11-2013 12:24 AM
chef2sail
Re: Tea Tree Oil--Any credible 3rd party testing as area biostat?

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Originally Posted by pdqaltair View Post
I'm sorry if I irritate anyone when I dismiss anecdotal evidence. It is useful in developing a thesis and checking reasonableness. But scientific method is like that; any time I start any sort of testing, whether in my real life or this hobby, the first thing I MUST do is isolate all opinions I may hold at the start. Often I'm most pleased when my favorite product--or at least the product I expected to do well--doesn't; it means I was not reporting my preconceived notions and perhaps that the method was sufficiently blind and well controlled.

No, I have not done enough testing to say it is a deception and I should not have implied that; it's a forum post, not an article. In fact, I think it makes good sense, based upon some literature data related to HVAC. The dosing rates even seem about comparable, somewhere in the low ppm range. I am certain it is orders of magnitude less effective than direct applied treatments and thus would be used in combination..
You didn't irritate me Its is just sometimes people look at things differently.

My previous profession of 30 years as a chef required that I was not so analytical approach oriented. It absolutely would have stifled creativity as a culinarian. Sometimes my approach still reverts back to that line of thinking.
If I had had to have every new creation proved out ahead of time, I would have been a failure.

I understand the importance for knowing why this works...I want to know too.
04-10-2013 11:41 PM
jimgo
Re: Tea Tree Oil--Any credible 3rd party testing as area biostat?

My vinegar and oil solution (sounds like salad dressing) was a wipe-on thing, not something in a pot. I have 2 Kanberra jars in the cabin.
04-10-2013 10:48 PM
pdqaltair
Re: Tea Tree Oil--Any credible 3rd party testing as area biostat?

I'm sorry if I irritate anyone when I dismiss anecdotal evidence. It is useful in developing a thesis and checking reasonableness. But scientific method is like that; any time I start any sort of testing, whether in my real life or this hobby, the first thing I MUST do is isolate all opinions I may hold at the start. Often I'm most pleased when my favorite product--or at least the product I expected to do well--doesn't; it means I was not reporting my preconceived notions and perhaps that the method was sufficiently blind and well controlled.

No, I have not done enough testing to say it is a deception and I should not have implied that; it's a forum post, not an article. In fact, I think it makes good sense, based upon some literature data related to HVAC. The dosing rates even seem about comparable, somewhere in the low ppm range. I am certain it is orders of magnitude less effective than direct applied treatments and thus would be used in combination.

The web site doesn't direct the reader to useful data--I had to find that elsewhere. They do show this experiment:
http://www.kanberragel.com/downloads...Experiment.pdf
But clearly the dose is perhaps 5000 times higher that actual use (2 quarts vs 20,000 ft3 of air flow over 45 days). I've done some testing with much larger volumes, and as a result I've come to suspect the dose rate is very sensitive to the amount of absorbent material (carpet, upholstery) present.

I'm just saying it's complicated and not easy to model. I've got a cat (completely identical staterooms) so some side-by-side testing will start very soon. The main problem is that under dry, clean conditions mildew doesn't grow, so how do you test fairly, without exaggerating something unfairly? The challenge with many marine items--anchors, fuel additives, holding tanks--is that the issues vary so much from one boat to another. I was swapping tips with another PDQ owner 2 days ago, and though our boats are very similar, his fuel and holding tank issues are very different because of minor design differences. Most often there is not one answer, only trends and some discussion of the theory and our observations.

I have a number of essential oil and chemical products to look at. I'm not sure where this is headed just yet. Just gathering information.

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For what it's worth, I can't guess why using vinegar would help; directly applied to a surface the low pH will be fatal, but most molds like slightly lowered (acid) pH and vinegar in a pot would only encourage that.
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