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05-02-2013 10:33 AM
Faster
Re: Wish I Had The Boat Builder/Dealer Do It!

Quote:
Originally Posted by opc11 View Post
k+m wasn't on my list. I'll have to check them out.

for anyone else similar in similar options, I've also got a few others that fall into the variable draft and/or aluminum hull:

Allures
Atlantic
Van De Stat
Futuna
Alubat Cigale
Alliage
Feeling
Flint
Iroise
Jeanneau Sun Odyssey 379
Pogo 12.5
Southerly
Tartan
.. and of course many of these are beautifully detailed and reviewed on PCP's "Interesting Sailboats" thread.....
05-01-2013 09:39 PM
opc11
Re: Wish I Had The Boat Builder/Dealer Do It!

Quote:
Originally Posted by outbound View Post
if aluminum and variable draft look at the ovnis, boreal, and K+M
k+m wasn't on my list. I'll have to check them out.

for anyone else similar in similar options, I've also got a few others that fall into the variable draft and/or aluminum hull:

Allures
Atlantic
Van De Stat
Futuna
Alubat Cigale
Alliage
Feeling
Flint
Iroise
Jeanneau Sun Odyssey 379
Pogo 12.5
Southerly
Tartan
05-01-2013 09:33 PM
opc11
Re: Wish I Had The Boat Builder/Dealer Do It!

Quote:
Originally Posted by outbound View Post
I decided I wanted to do the N.A and S.P. gyres ~10y ago. (Think doing the clock is more a theoretical goal then seeing the world. But started with that goal (around the world) before doing research and listening to folks. However, I love my wife and carry my reponsibilities to my kids and parents in my heart. I have had one boat or another over a 30+yr span and have learned to accept my limitations. Having my wife have
enough water for a shower
warmth and cooling as environment demands
space to get away from each other for quiet moments ( amazes me we have never a a fight yet but each of us sometimes need "space")
etc.
So the creature comforts mean she will view world cruising as a adventure not camping on the water. It also means no hardship to stay in a region for some months if it is interesting to us.
Yes carry at least two spares for everything and a virtual tool shop but talk to your S.O. see what she/he needs to live aboard and how they want to liveaboard. Then look at your finances. Then look at boats. I went with a semicustom boat. It was the first new boat I ever owned. Everything from the frig openning from above and well as in front or having manifolds to limit throu hulls or the placement of hand holds or a thousand little details that will make life aboard a delight for a six footer and a 4'10" soulmate was incorporated. I projected what our physical capabilities will be in 10-15yrs and designed accordingly. I thought and discussed with my wife where we would be likely to go. I plumbed for a spendide and a watermaker but will only put them in when need demands. have no deck canvas with a hard dodger and hard bimini. Each will make decisions reflecting their needs and past expriences.
Before building the boat I knew economically it was unwise. But this is my life's dream and now my wife's. Screw those who view life as an accounting or business school exercise. Still, be solicidous of your s.o. Don't put them in any discomfort or stress that would strain your relationship. Don't build or buy a boat you can't run
by yourself
when everthing breaks
that doesn't make your heart skip a beat as you row your dinghy away from her
Right now no S.O. So the eventual S.O. will be pre-screened for the lifestyle....Therefore, rigging for shorthanded sailing will be very important to me. ...never know where I'll find "her."

Thanks for the great input! Much appreciated.
04-16-2013 10:12 PM
Cruisingdad
Re: Wish I Had The Boat Builder/Dealer Do It!

Quote:
Originally Posted by outbound View Post
I decided I wanted to do the N.A and S.P. gyres ~10y ago. (Think doing the clock is more a theoretical goal then seeing the world. But started with that goal (around the world) before doing research and listening to folks. However, I love my wife and carry my reponsibilities to my kids and parents in my heart. I have had one boat or another over a 30+yr span and have learned to accept my limitations. Having my wife have
enough water for a shower
warmth and cooling as environment demands
space to get away from each other for quiet moments ( amazes me we have never a a fight yet but each of us sometimes need "space")
etc.
So the creature comforts mean she will view world cruising as a adventure not camping on the water. It also means no hardship to stay in a region for some months if it is interesting to us.
Yes carry at least two spares for everything and a virtual tool shop but talk to your S.O. see what she/he needs to live aboard and how they want to liveaboard. Then look at your finances. Then look at boats. I went with a semicustom boat. It was the first new boat I ever owned. Everything from the frig openning from above and well as in front or having manifolds to limit throu hulls or the placement of hand holds or a thousand little details that will make life aboard a delight for a six footer and a 4'10" soulmate was incorporated. I projected what our physical capabilities will be in 10-15yrs and designed accordingly. I thought and discussed with my wife where we would be likely to go. I plumbed for a spendide and a watermaker but will only put them in when need demands. have no deck canvas with a hard dodger and hard bimini. Each will make decisions reflecting their needs and past expriences.
Before building the boat I knew economically it was unwise. But this is my life's dream and now my wife's. Screw those who view life as an accounting or business school exercise. Still, be solicidous of your s.o. Don't put them in any discomfort or stress that would strain your relationship. Don't build or buy a boat you can't run
by yourself
when everthing breaks
that doesn't make your heart skip a beat as you row your dinghy away from her
Pretty much agree with everything you said. Our rule on the boat is, "When it doesn't work for one person, it doesn't work for anyone."

It is cruising for Gawd's sakes. Make it enjoyable!! Get the things you feel make you comfortable and safe. Even Slokum had a chronometer, for Pete's sakes!!

Brian
04-16-2013 10:02 PM
outbound
Re: Wish I Had The Boat Builder/Dealer Do It!

If you're interested in traditional design look at the Puffins.Done in Fe or AL. Made in Netherlands. Was on one that's homeported in New Hampshire. Stout and beautifully crafted. Amazing amount of useable space below. Doing new means you know what systems are going in. Details like the electrical runs are known to you. I did the runs organized by system and in conduit with pop off top covers. Can get to each piece and add more if needs be. My boat is like the old Valiants- everything in it can go through the companionway or out through the cockpit seat hatch above the work space. Replaced the invertor on th the PSC and it wasabitch. There was one turn into the engine space couldn't get anything through as it was a blind 90 degree turn.
04-16-2013 09:34 PM
outbound
Re: Wish I Had The Boat Builder/Dealer Do It!

if aluminum and variable draft look at the ovnis, boreal, and K+M
04-16-2013 09:30 PM
outbound
Re: Wish I Had The Boat Builder/Dealer Do It!

I decided I wanted to do the N.A and S.P. gyres ~10y ago. (Think doing the clock is more a theoretical goal then seeing the world. But started with that goal (around the world) before doing research and listening to folks. However, I love my wife and carry my reponsibilities to my kids and parents in my heart. I have had one boat or another over a 30+yr span and have learned to accept my limitations. Having my wife have
enough water for a shower
warmth and cooling as environment demands
space to get away from each other for quiet moments ( amazes me we have never a a fight yet but each of us sometimes need "space")
etc.
So the creature comforts mean she will view world cruising as a adventure not camping on the water. It also means no hardship to stay in a region for some months if it is interesting to us.
Yes carry at least two spares for everything and a virtual tool shop but talk to your S.O. see what she/he needs to live aboard and how they want to liveaboard. Then look at your finances. Then look at boats. I went with a semicustom boat. It was the first new boat I ever owned. Everything from the frig openning from above and well as in front or having manifolds to limit throu hulls or the placement of hand holds or a thousand little details that will make life aboard a delight for a six footer and a 4'10" soulmate was incorporated. I projected what our physical capabilities will be in 10-15yrs and designed accordingly. I thought and discussed with my wife where we would be likely to go. I plumbed for a spendide and a watermaker but will only put them in when need demands. have no deck canvas with a hard dodger and hard bimini. Each will make decisions reflecting their needs and past expriences.
Before building the boat I knew economically it was unwise. But this is my life's dream and now my wife's. Screw those who view life as an accounting or business school exercise. Still, be solicidous of your s.o. Don't put them in any discomfort or stress that would strain your relationship. Don't build or buy a boat you can't run
by yourself
when everthing breaks
that doesn't make your heart skip a beat as you row your dinghy away from her
04-16-2013 06:30 PM
TQA
Re: Wish I Had The Boat Builder/Dealer Do It!

WATERMAKER
REFRIGERATION
GENERATOR
MAIN ENGINE ALTERNATOR

I am in my 11th year as a liveaboard cruiser and those are the things that you hear people looking for help with on the morning radio nets.

I would not care who fitted them but it would be worth your while to be able to diagnose and fix common faults in those things. Don't just buy the spare bits; fit them and check that it still works, keep the tools you needed. Keep the bits you removed as spares, you KNOW they fit.

I guess you are looking at the Ovni range, the 445 is just right for a cruising couple IMHO and just maybe the bigger one would be OK too.
04-16-2013 03:17 PM
opc11
Re: Wish I Had The Boat Builder/Dealer Do It!

RE: attaching the deck before building the interior

That's an interesting point. I would think that would make it more difficult to build but you are certainly guaranteed that everything will fit through the companionway.

I'm leaning towards an aluminum hull with variable draft after doing a ton of reading. It seems the negativity regarding corrosion is greatly misplaced if the boat is properly cared for. Also, I would likely avoid paint between the waterline and deck. It seems to be a real PITA as well.

In any event, I would like to intimately follow the boat's build.
04-16-2013 10:18 AM
Cruisingdad
Re: Wish I Had The Boat Builder/Dealer Do It!

Quote:
Originally Posted by opc11 View Post
Yes, Brian. I agree. I'm not operating under those pretenses. I understand it's maintenance from Day 1. Likely less over the first x number of years .... is what I'm aiming for.
That is a realistic expectation.

One of the reasons I liked Valiant (no longer building boats), is that they built the hull and top, then started adding systems. It was built from the outside in, not the other way around. To the best of my knowledge, no production boat does this in any way. Too expensive. Now in all fairness to Catalina, they do a pretty good job of everything that goes in can come back out after put together. That said, there are still difficulties I have encountered. However, these difficulties are not specific to Benehuntalinas. One of my favorite stories was actually a Taswell and another a Panda! I was having dinner two nights ago with another couple on a Bene that tried to remove their water tank. It was leaking. Got it to the companionway, only to find out it was about an inch too wide to go out. Oops. I am not beating up Benes. I am merely using them as a recent example of serviceability and why it is important. I am sure Catalina and Hunter have had similar issues, as have other high-end builders. All the more important to take a thorough look at the boat you are purchasing with the floorboards up and a tape measure.

Brian
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