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04-18-2013 09:46 PM
killarney_sailor
Re: BVI to Panama Canal

[QUOTE=SVAuspicious;1014055Mine is signed. *grin*[/QUOTE]

Who signed it?
04-18-2013 09:30 PM
rockDAWG
Re: BVI to Panama Canal

Thanks, I will avoid Barracuda and snapper this time.
04-18-2013 08:44 PM
chef2sail
Re: BVI to Panama Canal

Quote:
Originally Posted by rockDAWG View Post
Update:

I have committed to this voyage from BVI to Colon, Panama. If the wait is not too long for the crossing, I will stay on the boat until Panama City. From there, the Captain/owner will have his pre-arranged crews to sail her to Australia.

Leaving for BVI next Tuesday and sail out Wednesday weather permitting. It looks like wind will die down next week. Only two of us, my favorite number (2) for the long voyage. Last month, we have 5 of us in the boat doing the Thorny path. We had no place to go. In the mid-passage, the owner had to fire the acting captain. It ended up only 4 made it to Dominican Republic.

I am bringing my fishing gear and hope to get some good sushi on our way.
Careful of the reef fish and ciguatera. Safe trip
04-18-2013 02:11 PM
rockDAWG
Re: BVI to Panama Canal

Update:

I have committed to this voyage from BVI to Colon, Panama. If the wait is not too long for the crossing, I will stay on the boat until Panama City. From there, the Captain/owner will have his pre-arranged crews to sail her to Australia.

Leaving for BVI next Tuesday and sail out Wednesday weather permitting. It looks like wind will die down next week. Only two of us, my favorite number (2) for the long voyage. Last month, we have 5 of us in the boat doing the Thorny path. We had no place to go. In the mid-passage, the owner had to fire the acting captain. It ended up only 4 made it to Dominican Republic.

I am bringing my fishing gear and hope to get some good sushi on our way.
04-09-2013 08:55 AM
SVAuspicious
Re: BVI to Panama Canal

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Originally Posted by JonEisberg View Post
I expect Cornell to give his honest assessment of any passage he's describing... What are you expecting him to say?
It is worth noting that Jimmy wrote World Cruising Routes (WCR) based on older Sailing Instructions. While he has sailed a lot he hasn't sailed everywhere. *grin* Like the products of most research projects it can indeed be a little dry. That doesn't make it less useful! I'm pretty sure I can tell from his comments when he has sailed a route, but even so one, two, or three trips on a route aren't statistically significant.

There are two reasons that references like WCR and pilot charts should be taken with a grain of salt. First, weather patterns have indeed changed over time. Second, Sailing Instructions and more recent weather observations from ships at sea understate historical conditions because ships try to avoid bad weather. Jimmy will be among the first to agree.

Jimmy Cornell and his son have collaborated on a massive new project, throwing away all the oldest data and compiling the information from visual, thermal, and radar overhead imagery to generate updated pilot charts for the planet.

You can get yours at Amazon (
Cornell's Ocean Atlas: Pilot Charts for All Oceans of the World: Jimmy Cornell: 9780955639654: Amazon.com: Books Cornell's Ocean Atlas: Pilot Charts for All Oceans of the World: Jimmy Cornell: 9780955639654: Amazon.com: Books


). Mine is signed. *grin*
04-08-2013 10:50 PM
Capt.aaron
Re: BVI to Panama Canal

The big wave action off the north coast of Columbia is exhilirating. it's like taking the double black diamond trail on a big sky mountain. it's can be as much as 200 miles across from north to south in the winter. It's serious and I have had some real neat sails across it. Last time was in a 27 foot Benny. Imagine a 20 foot swell with a 100 foot base, and a 4 foot swell in top of it like hershey kiss shape, and 2 foot of curling chop on top of that, just to give you a nice splash slam, and every fith set is just a big curing monster of all that combined. I kind of like it for some bizzar mascacistic reason, but it's not for the faint of heart.
04-08-2013 10:31 PM
billyruffn
Re: BVI to Panama Canal

The rhumb line from the VI to Colon will take you too close to the Columbian coast and into a rought spot that varies in intensity with the seasons. You'd be wise to check the pilot charts where you'll see the spot north of Columbia where the significant wave height is higher than elsewhere. While the exact routing will depend on the weather of the day, you may find that a rhumb line from the VI to somewhere around 13 N, 77 W and from there direct Colon will serve better.

The pilot for May is athttp://msi.nga.mil/MSISiteContent/St...106/106may.pdf

A blow up of the relevant area is below:
04-08-2013 10:17 PM
JonEisberg
Re: BVI to Panama Canal

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Originally Posted by rockDAWG View Post

1. I have Cornell's book, I will consult it before heading out. But I am not overly worried, becasue what do you expect Cornell to say. One must evaluate each condition carefully. A Chinese proverb says: It is better not read the book, if you must believe it entirely.
I expect Cornell to give his honest assessment of any passage he's describing... What are you expecting him to say?

I find WORLD CRUISING ROUTES to generally rather dry and sober, and somewhat understated in many of his descriptions of routes... I certainly don't see him being purposely 'alarmist', in any way. When he opens a description with "This can be a very rough passage", it's probably worth noting... His overall description of the passage between the NE and Bermuda sounds rather tame, for example - and yet history shows it can often turn into a brutal trip, with boats now being lost or abandoned with regularity...

Your citing that Chinese proverb would appear to make little sense, in this context. Cornell's descriptions of cruising routes should not be viewed as a long-term weather forecast, and it's entirely possible your passage may indeed turn out to be an "easy sail"... But if you do indeed have better sources from which to "evaluate" this passage than a book like Cornell's, or the Pilot Charts of the North Atlantic, then by all means use them, and it probably would be better "not to read the book" at all... (grin)

How did your trip down the Thorny Path turn out, btw?
04-08-2013 10:10 PM
Capt.aaron
Re: BVI to Panama Canal

Oh, thanks, I remember just missing you, they had called me into work early. I owed them day's because they let me go home for a Hurricane that passed through Key West. I spoke breifly with you on the phone as I was driving to meet my tug boat in Miami.
Any way's, I don't remember what I said to you about the Belize run. I do remember it was my first single handed passage on my boat. I was 19. I'm doing that run basicly next month, Key west to Honduras non stop. I'll be on the east side of the Yucatan Channel out of the current reaching south with my brand new Capehorn wind vane...can't friken wait! I'm going up to Sailorman in Ft. Lauderdale on wed. with permission from my wife to spend as much as I want on whatever I think I need! I have been waiting for this day for 20 years. I'll be like a fat kid in a chocolate store. But I digress. I think the B.V.I to Panama is a great passage for any body to get out and do a longish run, be a great run to take a newbie on. It's day 4 that you really get into the groove, and on day 9 you feel like you could keep going for another week or 2. If you make for Jamaica, a newbie would know if they wanted off the boat or not. If you have good weather you can decide not to stop, The only sea's around the area that are worse than the straights of Fla. with an opposing east wind at 25 to 30, is the Yucatan channel in a strong norther, and what I call the "blue circle" off the north coast of Columbia. So if you have stuck your nose out in to the straights with an east at 30, you can handle running down the trades. No reason to run down to Columbia in my oppinion. (Except that Cartegenia is the jewl of the Carribean as far as city's go.)
04-08-2013 09:13 PM
rockDAWG
Re: BVI to Panama Canal

Quote:
Originally Posted by Capt.aaron View Post
I did it. Wing on wing with interlocking jibs, main down the whole way. We left just after new year's eve. I remember because I was still hung over. We actually left from San juan P.R. passed south of Jamaica by about 30 miles. 10 day's the way I remember it. Auto Helm working away. it was 23 years ago, uneventful. I have sailed off the north coast of Columbia a lot. It's messy. I sailed from Venezuala to Belize non stop as well. 8 day's. I don't remember any thing weird happening. Last time I was in Port Antonio Jamacia, there was a load of people waiting to run down to Panama. Good place to stop. Eryll Flynn yacht club.
( Just don't by weed. I had a crew member try an sneak some on board and long story short I was deatained, and bribed my way out of it. he said he only wanted a 10 dollar bag for himself and it turned out to be as big as his leg.) Don't do the "when in Jamacia do as jamaicia does" thing. Any way's I would run down to Port Antonio Jamacia, and then cross on down to Panama. I make these runs all the time. No biggy.
Thanks "Captain A".
Note to myself:

1. No Weed
2. No weed
3. No weed
4. Thank you Captain A for above

5. Your suggestion makes sense. We will make west to Jamaica and head south to Panama and the wind will be coming from port aft, hopefully.

BTW, last year run to Belize, the details and encouragement you gave me, it is comforting knowing what lie ahead. I was smiling all the way to Belize. It was a great run. Thanks.
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