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08-12-2013 08:59 PM
Classic30
Re: My wooden rudder needs to be painted or something

Looks great! Good work.

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Originally Posted by steel View Post
Looking at the image reminds me that there is nothing that is designed to give way in case the rudder hits something. With the keel up the boat draws about 18" but the rudder is still 3'. Worth trying improve this?
It's a bit late to think about that now!!

The usual thing is to make a kick-up rudder blade, but, for you, that means taking apart all you've done and making a whole new rudder head. The way it is now, if you hit something you'll likely tear the pintles out of the back of the boat - and sink - so I'd try not to hit anything if I were you.
08-11-2013 11:29 PM
steel
Re: My wooden rudder needs to be painted or something

The project is finished! The plywood on the sides in new. Thanks everyone.

Here's the picture. I'm trying to make sure it is viewable by everyone, not just members of the forum.



There image is at http://nomad.ignorelist.com/images/s...ana_rudder.jpg in case the image embedding didn't work.

Looking at the image reminds me that there is nothing that is designed to give way in case the rudder hits something. With the keel up the boat draws about 18" but the rudder is still 3'. Worth trying improve this?
05-15-2013 01:45 AM
steel
Re: My wooden rudder needs to be painted or something

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Originally Posted by JimMcGee View Post
Make a filler paste using the sawdust from the sander's dust bag mixed with CPES and use it to fill the cracks. Mix the filler to the consistency of peanut butter.
I mixed up the sawdust with the CPES until it was like extra creamy peanut butter. I was a able to use it to fill in the old screw holes, and maybe one of the bigger cracks. The sawdust is too flaky to get it to spread out smoothly like real peanut butter. I piled it above the holes and the crack a little because it would tend to flake apart if I tried to smooth it off. Hopefully it will harden up and I can sand it smooth again. I'll see how it turns out tomorrow.

The top of the rudder is going in between two pieces of plywood which are being replaced. Part of the rudder around the tiller connection bolt got a bit rotted so it's like 1/8" thinner in that spot. When I put the plywood back on there will be a gap there. How do I fill in the gap? The CPES can suggests an epoxy filler made by the same company. Should I get that? The hardware store has some regular wood filler. What about all the little .020" cracks? The sawdust won't really fit in to those.

Thanks for the help.
04-29-2013 05:47 PM
TQA
Re: My wooden rudder needs to be painted or something

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Get some exterior grade paint and matching undercoat.
That was when you said you were not keeping it in the water. If you plan on keeping it in the water I would strip it to bare wood, dry it out, fill the cracks, epoxy it then paint it with Primocon followed by anti fouling that is suitable for your area.

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04-29-2013 02:57 PM
steel
Re: My wooden rudder needs to be painted or something

There are lots of little cracks, but the biggest crack is 0.040". Can I skip the sawdust thing?

I put some water on it to see if it would swell up. How many days should I let it dry before doing any of the treatments?

edit1:
Quote:
Get some exterior grade paint and matching undercoat.
So just regular paint from the hardware store. No special marine paint? If I decide to leave the rudder in the water, will that be okay? I was thinking, if a wooden boat can be left in the water all the time, I could just use the same kind of paint and leave by rudder in as well.

edit2: I put the rudder in some water for a few hours and now all the cracks are gone. I would imagine painting would have the same effect.
04-29-2013 01:02 PM
JimMcGee
Re: My wooden rudder needs to be painted or something

Steel, wood expands and contracts with changes in moisture. Right now the unfunished rudder absorbs water when you're sailing and dries out when she's on the trailer. That's why you're getting some cracking.

The idea is to seal the rudder, that will slow the rate of expansion and contraction and prevent any future cracking, and will fill the existing cracks .

Since she's been bare wood for a while and you do have some cracks I would sand her back a bit with 80 grit on a random orbit sander. Keep the sander moving. This will remove surface grit and the rough gray wood.

Make a filler paste using the sawdust from the sander's dust bag mixed with CPES and use it to fill the cracks. Mix the filler to the consistency of peanut butter. Then coat the rudder with a couple of coats of CPES to seal it. Here's the link for CPES.

CPES doesn't have UV inhibitors so you'll have to paint or varnish the finished rudder. It's also forgiving on the mixture ratios.

04-29-2013 12:09 PM
steel
Re: My wooden rudder needs to be painted or something

I like the idea of painting it. After all, isn't that what's done to wooden boats?

The wood is fine so no need to glass it. I would be worried that water could get trapped under the glass.
04-25-2013 02:24 PM
MarkSF
Re: My wooden rudder needs to be painted or something

If the strength of the wood is in question at all, what I would do is actually fibreglass over the wood. I did this myself on my Wayfarer rudder.

So I did the following :

A layer of glass mat, expoxied to the rudder.
Epoxy over the mat until smooth (you can brush West System on)
Sand until fair.
I painted the lower third with dark green paint.
I varnished the upper third.
04-25-2013 12:07 PM
TQA
Re: My wooden rudder needs to be painted or something

Get some exterior grade paint and matching undercoat. If you want to get fancy take a pic of the hull color and ask the store to color match it. Most have mixing capablities. In my experience paint outlasts any varnish.

Sand smooth, undercoat, topcoat and go sailing.
04-25-2013 12:03 PM
steel
Re: My wooden rudder needs to be painted or something

Thanks. The varnish at Menards said it was for above the waterline only. It was one of about 4 boating paint products that they had.
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