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04-30-2013 11:48 AM
Boasun
Re: Bad yacht accident: two dead (one rescuer)

you need a "Gram" scale to weigh the CO2 bottles of the life jackets. Some have been known to leak out over a period of time. Weigh the blessed thing before installing it and then once every quarter or so. This also includes the spares you have stowed below and almost forgotten about.
04-30-2013 06:54 AM
divefreak
Re: Bad yacht accident: two dead (one rescuer)

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Originally Posted by Hartley18 View Post
I know some rescue-people here who don't like using automatic PFDs in case they inflate at the wrong time - but they are taking a risk also that they'll be concious when they hit the water...
We went on with a different aproach when I was an active Lifeguard.
Captain + one of the Crew automatic PFD, the designated rescue swimmer manual pfd

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IThey say they are going to see if that was a maintenance problem or a defect and that's why several inquiries. One of them is looking at how the maintenance of life saving devices is made.
Just need to check if the Floatationg Body is Ok, If not old vs new damage and if the pressure cylinder punctured or not
04-30-2013 06:46 AM
PCP
Re: Bad yacht accident: two dead (one rescuer)

It was an Automatic with salt pills. When the body was recovered the body the life vest was not inflated.

Typically here they say little when an inquiry is on. They say they are going to see if that was a maintenance problem or a defect and that's why several inquiries. One of them is looking at how the maintenance of life saving devices is made.
04-29-2013 10:51 PM
Classic30
Re: Bad yacht accident: two dead (one rescuer)

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It seems that after all they are running not one but 3 different inquest not regarding mis-managing the situation but to know why a maritime police died. It turns out that he was wearing a live vest with an automatic system that did not worked when he hit the water. They keep it secret while they were running the inquiries but today come to the public that was the main object of the investigation. He would be probably alive if the life vest had worked properly.
Do they say if it was a manual one or automatic, Paulo?

I know some rescue-people here who don't like using automatic PFDs in case they inflate at the wrong time - but they are taking a risk also that they'll be concious when they hit the water...
04-29-2013 09:45 PM
PCP
Re: Bad yacht accident: two dead (one rescuer)

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If that happened over here, there would be a major coronial inquest and people in authority would be reprimanded for mis-managing the situation! ...
It seems that after all they are running not one but 3 different inquest not regarding mis-managing the situation but to know why a maritime police died. It turns out that he was wearing a live vest with an automatic system that did not worked when he hit the water. They keep it secret while they were running the inquiries but today come to the public that was the main object of the investigation. He would be probably alive if the life vest had worked properly.

Regards

Paulo
04-21-2013 08:07 PM
Classic30
Re: Bad yacht accident: two dead (one rescuer)

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Here for coastal operations they use RIBs (more usually), proper ones not the Navy one that was involved or small self rightening rescue boats. Near the beach or in the Surf they use also helicopters and Jet skys. On that rescue, a jet sky was also there (they use them to reach the victims faster and to carry them to the bigger boats) and an helicopter.
Nice!

Over here (down under) they've started using these in a dual Pilot/Rescue role:


Here's a link to some pics of one out in The Rip on a sunny summers day:

http://www.hartmarine.com.au/index.p.../our-history-4
04-19-2013 08:31 AM
divefreak
Re: Bad yacht accident: two dead (one rescuer)

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Here for coastal operations they use RIBs (more usually), proper ones not the Navy one that was involved or small self rightening rescue boats.


Looks like an old german boat or at least the same design



very very good boats but a bit slow

the Rib is also nice!

but currently our DGzRS is loosing ground by switching the smaller boats for sternheavy crappy designed Copys of the KNRM Ribs....
04-19-2013 07:39 AM
PCP
Re: Bad yacht accident: two dead (one rescuer)

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Hi

Lifeboat/Rescueboat Design is a since of its own

I discussed the australian philosophies with Pete from mid coast marine, heŽs well known in the IRB /Surfrescue scene.

IŽll never understand why cat boats are used in the surf! Inshore, on lakes or on the baltic, yes. They make a nice an stable work platform. But on a Barr/ in the surf, no way i would go out in such a boat!

Give me a rigid hull inflatable, or a conventional deep V hull. with a self rightening Frame or pilothouse and IŽll be happy

The RNLI Boats are nice or our aluminium Boats, but they are too slow IMHO, but very very safe. On the other Hand even on our 27m ships they had deadly accidents in the north sea.
Here for coastal operations they use RIBs (more usually), proper ones not the Navy one that was involved or small self rightening rescue boats. Near the beach or in the Surf they use also helicopters and Jet skys. On that rescue, a jet sky was also there (they use them to reach the victims faster and to carry them to the bigger boats) and an helicopter.





Regards

Paulo
04-19-2013 04:13 AM
Classic30
Re: Bad yacht accident: two dead (one rescuer)

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IŽll never understand why cat boats are used in the surf! Inshore, on lakes or on the baltic, yes. They make a nice an stable work platform. But on a Barr/ in the surf, no way i would go out in such a boat!
Actually if you watch the video posted by PCP immediately above your post, you'll see exactly why cat boats are used in surf.

..but that doesn't mean they are the best platform by any means. I am honestly not at all sure what is, but then I don't claim to be an expert on the subject either.
04-19-2013 03:55 AM
divefreak Knrm not rnli
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