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10 Hours Ago 04:35 AM
SVAuspicious
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

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Originally Posted by chall03 View Post
As for Rocna? Well I emailed them as well and also mentioned vaguely that I had been discussing anchors in forums and reading what people were using on blogs and I received an arrogant, sarcastic reply decrying the internet and also informing me that if I was fishing for a discount for a review I could get stuffed, and that all there was to know about their anchors was available on their website and basically I would be best to go annoy someone in a chandlery somewhere (This last statement is more my interpretation, not their actual words).
Golly. While I understand that lots of people in the marine industry get asked for discounts quite often good customer service includes remaining polite while being firm.

I have two Rocna anchors (one NZ and one Canada) from the original administration of the company. While Craig Smith certainly put a lot of people off on Internet fora I found his customer service to be exemplary. I have no personal experience with the two subsequent administrations of the company.

I have yet to anchor with a Mantus. Construction seemed very good on the couple I have seen. Mantus would certainly be in the mix if I were in the market for another anchor. I suspect you'll be quite pleased with it.
15 Hours Ago 11:30 PM
mitiempo
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

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Originally Posted by chall03 View Post
No it wasn't.
Was it Canada Metals? They now own Rocna.
20 Hours Ago 06:25 PM
chall03
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

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CH ... out of interest where the Rocna people you spoke to the Australian Distributors ?
No it wasn't.
21 Hours Ago 06:11 PM
miatapaul
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

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$155,000 for no-frills and bare bones? I'll stick with the used market thanks.

MedSailor
Well there ate some that insist on new heck I am a bottom feeder so I won't be buying new any time soon.

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22 Hours Ago 05:07 PM
MedSailor
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

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. So you end up with a super strong boat but with little frills for around $155,000. Kind of more set up for one class racing, but would work for no frills cruising.
$155,000 for no-frills and bare bones? I'll stick with the used market thanks.

MedSailor
22 Hours Ago 04:53 PM
miatapaul
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

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Have any been built yet?
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Originally Posted by miatapaul View Post
No, and I doubt they ever will be. I think it is more of an opportunity to discuss what an ideal offshore boat is. I do like the idea of a strongly built bare-bones boat, but I doubt there is enough market for it. But it is out of my current price range anyway, though after the divorce is settled, kids get out of college and I have a few more years of working I might be able to consider it. Oh hell, that puts me at about 80 years old, so at that point if it does not matter if it lasts much more than 10 years I guess!

What I could see happening is a company like Outbound, Passport, or another "limited production" company seeing the interest and offer one of there boats with a "laminate interior" but keep the strong built offshore features. Seems they could offer the boat at a much lower price point and they are not driven by volume like the big guys. They would have limited expenses as they could perhaps use an older model if they still have the molds and base it on that.
Looking at this months Sail magazine reminded me of this thread. Here is a similar thing but instead of one of the above it is a Hanse Hull that is more heavily reenforced while being built then a relatively bare bones interior put in and a "simplified" rig put on. So you end up with a super strong boat but with little frills for around $155,000. Kind of more set up for one class racing, but would work for no frills cruising.
22 Hours Ago 04:28 PM
tdw
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

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At the risk of screwing this thread completely by starting to talk anchors....

We looked at Rocna, Mantus and Manson Supreme all very similar anchors design wise.
We choose Mantus. Now if you look with an open mind at the actual engineering of the Mantus you will be impressed.

But hey if bolts freak you out, your superstitious, or you like to choose anchors based on something some guy told you once in a bar then thats ok too.

As for customer service/support Mantus were fantastic. Greg got back to me straight away with answers and the local distributor here in Australia have gone out of their way to make sure we are happy. Really good folk.

As for Rocna? Well I emailed them as well and also mentioned vaguely that I had been discussing anchors in forums and reading what people were using on blogs and I received an arrogant, sarcastic reply decrying the internet and also informing me that if I was fishing for a discount for a review I could get stuffed, and that all there was to know about their anchors was available on their website and basically I would be best to go annoy someone in a chandlery somewhere (This last statement is more my interpretation, not their actual words).

So I bought an Mantus and I have supported a couple of small businesses( one in the US and one here) ran by really nice people.
CH ... out of interest where the Rocna people you spoke to the Australian Distributors ?
23 Hours Ago 03:15 PM
chall03
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

Ahh well you see that's because it's a production anchor

If you crossed an ocean it would disintegrate.
1 Day Ago 08:55 AM
Don0190
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

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As for Rocna? Well I emailed them as well and also mentioned vaguely that I had been discussing anchors in forums and reading what people were using on blogs and I received an arrogant, sarcastic reply
I was all ready to buy a Rocna when I got my current boat. But right when I about to do it Craig Smith was working overtime trash posting on forums and that resulted in my getting a 60 lb Manson Supreme instead because I decided I wasn't to support such an a-hole.

Back on topic, my production boat has been happy with a Manson Supreme and has had no limits to its use..
1 Day Ago 07:55 AM
chall03
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

At the risk of screwing this thread completely by starting to talk anchors....

We looked at Rocna, Mantus and Manson Supreme all very similar anchors design wise.
We choose Mantus. Now if you look with an open mind at the actual engineering of the Mantus you will be impressed.

But hey if bolts freak you out, your superstitious, or you like to choose anchors based on something some guy told you once in a bar then thats ok too.

As for customer service/support Mantus were fantastic. Greg got back to me straight away with answers and the local distributor here in Australia have gone out of their way to make sure we are happy. Really good folk.

As for Rocna? Well I emailed them as well and also mentioned vaguely that I had been discussing anchors in forums and reading what people were using on blogs and I received an arrogant, sarcastic reply decrying the internet and also informing me that if I was fishing for a discount for a review I could get stuffed, and that all there was to know about their anchors was available on their website and basically I would be best to go annoy someone in a chandlery somewhere (This last statement is more my interpretation, not their actual words).

So I bought an Mantus and I have supported a couple of small businesses( one in the US and one here) ran by really nice people.
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