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05-06-2013 11:43 PM
paulk
Re: My sons were asking

Try without sails first. Pulling her over will be easier with the board up - but then you may want to lower the board to lever her back up. Getting that to happen may be tricky without gravity to help you. Seeing what works (and what doesnt') will be a good learning experience.
05-06-2013 10:55 PM
mustangchef
Re: My sons were asking

Ya , we will just take it out in 6 feet of water with no gear in her and pull her over. I want them to have the confidence and know how to right her.
They are geeked about it. I did buy a mast float.
05-06-2013 09:33 PM
paulk
Re: My sons were asking

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Mine is a 1977 Holman Nichols#13121. It does have the big molded in seat/ flotation tanks. I will have the boys tip her over and practice righting her in the first few times out. Thanks
Once may be enough, and perhaps after going out a couple of times. Capsizing a Lightning is a hassle. It is a good deal more difficult tip a Lightning over than it is a Thistle, for example. The centerboard is pretty heavy, and the form stability is there on purpose to help keep her upright. If you do go for a capsize drill, make sure EVERYTHING is attached in or to the boat. Mast step and partner blocks can get loose, along with life jackets, and float away, for example. Bailers, loose line, shoes, sunglasses, foul weather gear, anchors, spinnakers, and aluminum spinnaker poles can all sink. You also want to be careful about leaving an aluminum mast in the water too long. It it may fill with water and the added weight could cause the boat to turtle. The mast inevitably gets stuck in the mud - where it breaks. The weight of the lowered centerboard may be enough to counter that tendency, but it might be better not to find out that it doesn't. The flotation tanks should help make the experience short enough. They certainly reduce the amount of water inside the hull, so 'righting the boat should be relatively easy. It may or may not be desirable to lower the sails before turning the bow into the wind and righting the boat. (Sometimes the wind can catch the sails before the crew can get back in to ease them, and 'over she goes again.) Don't bend the centerboard by standing too close to the tip. Be careful! There are lines, sails, people and stuff all over the place, and things are all out of kilter and not working the way they're supposed to while you're swimming around yelling to be heard and getting really tired. Having a crash boat standing by to help would probably be a good idea. Capsizing is a hassle. I try to avoid it.
05-06-2013 01:40 PM
DonScribner
Re: My sons were asking

Send them out with PFDs and let them figure it out. They'll be ear in the water soon enough then it's only a gust away. It floats, they'll learn.
05-06-2013 10:42 AM
Barquito
Re: My sons were asking

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thanks , that Bristol looks substantial.
That was my goal with this boat. Went from a Catalina 22 sailing on inland lakes in Wisconsin, to this B27 for sailing on Lake Michigan.
05-06-2013 09:50 AM
mustangchef
Re: My sons were asking

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Modern Lightnings have a better flotation setup than the ones we used to sail (which had none.) We got a gentle tow after capsizing in order to get the water out over the back of the cockpit. I crewed at the North American Championships one year, (100 boats), and as Caleb suggests, it blew about 25 knots. Coming from Long Island Sound, we had never planed in the boat before. We were all High School students, and weren't as heavy as many of the older sailors. To keep the boat flat we loosened the hiking straps until we ended up sitting on the topsides. (This is now called "droop hiking".) With that much wind, and a long fetch, the waves on Lake Ontario built up into a quick chop about two or three feet high, which the boat handled without too much trouble, though it was pretty wet. Before going out in conditions like that it might be better to get some practice in lighter air.
Mine is a 1977 Holman Nichols#13121. It does have the big molded in seat/ flotation tanks. I will have the boys tip her over and practice righting her in the first few times out. Thanks
05-06-2013 02:40 AM
CalebD
Re: My sons were asking

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... and as Caleb suggests, it blew about 25 knots. Coming from Long Island Sound, we had never planed in the boat before. We were all High School students, and weren't as heavy as many of the older sailors. To keep the boat flat ...
I can only add to that I recall getting my Lightning up on a plane a few times in wind around 15 - 18 knots, maybe less with only two adults on board. A few times with my wife on board on a broad reach and another time with a sailing buddy when we raised the spinnaker and nearly crossed LI Sound from Huntington to Stamford, CT at a screeching pace.
The Lightning can go just like lightning but a lot can go wrong quickly when you are going that fast. Still, it is a blast to sail one if you can keep it from capsizing.
05-06-2013 01:43 AM
mad_machine
Re: My sons were asking

lightnings are more seaworthy than they appear.. but yes, like my old GP.. they pound terrible in the chop. If you can keep them upright, the biggest problem will be the crew giving up before the boat
05-06-2013 12:16 AM
paulk
Re: My sons were asking

Modern Lightnings have a better flotation setup than the ones we used to sail (which had none.) We got a gentle tow after capsizing in order to get the water out over the back of the cockpit. I crewed at the North American Championships one year, (100 boats), and as Caleb suggests, it blew about 25 knots. Coming from Long Island Sound, we had never planed in the boat before. We were all High School students, and weren't as heavy as many of the older sailors. To keep the boat flat we loosened the hiking straps until we ended up sitting on the topsides. (This is now called "droop hiking".) With that much wind, and a long fetch, the waves on Lake Ontario built up into a quick chop about two or three feet high, which the boat handled without too much trouble, though it was pretty wet. Before going out in conditions like that it might be better to get some practice in lighter air.
05-05-2013 11:56 PM
CalebD
Re: My sons were asking

I owned a Lightning for a few years and sailed it on LI Sound which is not known for its big waves.
I'm not sure that big waves are the main issue though. Capsizing a Lightning would be my main concern. In heavy chop and wind it might be very difficult to right the boat again and then bail it out. Some owners install extra flotation around the gunnels to add to the buoyancy of the boat if it gets swamped/capsized.
In modest sized waves (~ 2') the Lightning will pound a bit as it climbs over each, making it a bit of a jarring experience.
The hot shot sailors who race in "the Nationals" have been known to race Lightnings in some fairly substantial winds (~ 25 knots or so) and bigger wind usually means bigger waves, as we know.
Your boys will do fine if they can keep the mast pointed up.
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