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06-10-2013 07:23 AM
mad_machine
Re: Oops!!!

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Originally Posted by mitiempo View Post
Latest I have heard, from Brent Jacoby at Blackline, is that the new 75 ton travel lift will be operational by August 31.

Meantime another travel lift collapsed - with a boat (tug actually) in the slings. This was at Shelter Island yesterday. I was emailed the pic below and I assume it is Shelter Island B.C. I can't find any other information about this incident yet.
oh that looks painful
06-10-2013 06:43 AM
KeelOver
Re: Oops!!!

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Originally Posted by Dog Ship View Post
If the operator was useing the machine in an unintended fashion, then the operator has already made the decision to operate the machine beyond it's designed parameters and it is the operator who is at fault.
The decision to operate the machine in a unintended fashion was made before the machine malfuctioned and therefore it is the operator who is at fault, not the machine.
Blameing a machine for your poor judgement is no excuse.
I love the "Dog Ship" lynch mob. BURN THE OPERATOR!

I do like your leap from "If the operator was using the machine in an unintended fashion" to "The decision to operate the machine in an unintended fashion". Using a true statement followed by an untrue or unproven one is a good way to make it sound believeable.

I read this whole thread and I don't see anywhere where the operator is said to have used the machine for anything other than hauling, launching and moving boats. I am not trained in the use of Travel Lifts and have not found any documentation saying that giving boats a nudge out of the travel lift hole with the lift is a use for which Travel Lifts weren't designed. Perhaps that is the case, but before we string up the "cowboy" operator with the rope that Dog Ship is giving us we should first find out whether or not he was using the lift in an unintended fashion.

Either way lets look at facts, and not rely on my opinion, or that of Dog Ship, when I admittedly, and he clearly, doesn't have a clue.
06-09-2013 11:42 PM
mitiempo
Re: Oops!!!

160 tons actually - their other lift is 75 tons I believe.

I wonder what this year will do to insurance rates for yards?
06-09-2013 11:36 PM
SloopJonB
Re: Oops!!!

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Originally Posted by Faster View Post
Yes, Shelter Island.. I was out at Thunderbird Marina last week and got splashed yesterday.. the lift operator mentioned it just has he was picking up our boat... In this case it looks like an overweight lift..
That Shelter Island hoist was a monster - over 100 tons I think - it was an 8 wheeler.

Strange year for local yards.
06-09-2013 11:13 PM
Jgbrown
Re: Oops!!!

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Originally Posted by mad_machine View Post
While that may be true. If they had pulled the boat out manually, they hopefully would have noticed the one wheel turned once the slings were free
Larger boats are more often nudged with the slings I think, as it is not always simple to move them by hand, at least without scratching them.
Generally the guys hooking the boat and moving it out manually are not checking the lift wheels.


When pulling a boat out with boat hooks, they leave running the lift for the lift operator who remains up on land. So if the wheels were visible from their level(often not the case), and they checked them and commented to the lift operator while pulling the boat out, but before the operator moved the lift again then yes it is possible it may have been avoided. Hindsight is always 20/20 of course in terms of where the issue started.

More likely based on what I've seen of lifts, the only difference would have been to the boat, unless it was in the path of where the lift fell of course.
06-09-2013 10:58 PM
Faster
Re: Oops!!!

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Originally Posted by mitiempo View Post
....Meantime another travel lift collapsed - with a boat (tug actually) in the slings. This was at Shelter Island yesterday. I was emailed the pic below and I assume it is Shelter Island B.C. I can't find any other information about this incident yet.
Yes, Shelter Island.. I was out at Thunderbird Marina last week and got splashed yesterday.. the lift operator mentioned it just has he was picking up our boat... In this case it looks like an overweight lift..
06-09-2013 10:35 PM
mitiempo
Re: Oops!!!

Latest I have heard, from Brent Jacoby at Blackline, is that the new 75 ton travel lift will be operational by August 31.

Meantime another travel lift collapsed - with a boat (tug actually) in the slings. This was at Shelter Island yesterday. I was emailed the pic below and I assume it is Shelter Island B.C. I can't find any other information about this incident yet.
05-17-2013 01:02 PM
TQA
Re: Oops!!!

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I love that sailnet now has ads you cannot close in the middle of the page obscuring posts that I may or may not want to read .
Popup blocker required!
05-17-2013 12:59 PM
KeelOver
Re: Oops!!!

There is a brief statement about the incident on the Blackline Marine website. Blackline is one of the companies that operates out of Canoe Cove. blacklinemarine.com is their website.
05-17-2013 08:33 AM
kjango
Re: Oops!!!

I love that sailnet now has ads you cannot close in the middle of the page obscuring posts that I may or may not want to read .
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