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05-12-2013 11:08 PM
djaustralia
Re: Seeking WARATAH yacht plans please

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Originally Posted by Hartley18 View Post
In that case, apology accepted.

..and good luck with your search, Dirk.
I have just emailed the guy at ANZ with pics so we'll see what happens.
05-12-2013 10:25 PM
Classic30
Re: Seeking WARATAH yacht plans please

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Originally Posted by djaustralia View Post
.... So let it be known that I do appreciate the response from others on this forum, even if my stubborn dutch attitude escapes now and then. I tend to take some replies the wrong way sometimes so my humble apology is offered. Sincerely, Dirk
In that case, apology accepted.

..and good luck with your search, Dirk.
05-12-2013 10:08 PM
djaustralia
Re: Seeking WARATAH yacht plans please

Now as for the reproduction of the Waratah plans, this can easily be done with the permission of the current copyright holder, but as stated by the intellectual property lawyer I contacted, the person that inherited dennis' estate may not even know they own the rights, if indeed dennis left a living heir to his estate/property. A copyright last's for 70 years form the date the copyright holder dies. So for me to reproduce these plans I first need to try my damndest to find any descendant's of dennis and seek permission, at the same time I need to complete my set of plans . As I said I am missing 3 of the 7 sheets 'cause my 'then' dog chewed them to bits 20 years ago :-( . My reason to reproduce these plans is not so much motivated by money but the fact I have an intimate connection to the design thanks to my grandfather. As a family of dutch heratige we were all so proud of my opa's achievement in building the yacht, and still are. Plus I am the only relative with the skills to build boats (models at least). Using what plans I possess I have built several models of the ORION 3 over the last 19 years and I have a profound love for the design. If ever I should be successful In my wanting to reproduce these plans they would be offered for sale at a minimal cost being enough to cover the cost of copying them and posting them to a buyer. I am also hesitant to do this as I havn't built a full size yacht and I'm not the designer so Potential buyers of the plans possibly wouldn't be able to rely on me alone to aid with any questions that arise during construction. Dennis built several Waratah's in order to do exactly that. I am confident that I can build a quality model but don't have the expertise to offer to a builder. I would however love the oppurtunity to help someone build a Waratah and perhaps help me complete the plans I have. I am also considering building a small 9 or 10 ft replica for my own pleasure, something I can sit on a box trailer and go lake sailing on. So let it be known that I do appreciate the response from others on this forum, even if my stubborn dutch attitude escapes now and then. I tend to take some replies the wrong way sometimes so my humble apology is offered. Sincerely, Dirk
05-12-2013 09:41 PM
Classic30
Re: Seeking WARATAH yacht plans please

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I have contacted the ANMM and they're looking into it for me. For that I thank you. I have already contacted the aus' and NZ ship register but it's exactly that, a register for 'ships' not small yachts.
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I'm glad to hear you are making progress, DJ.

FYI, "boatregister.net" (in my post above) is not the official ANZ Ship Register (as much as Mr Flapan might like to think it is!) and if anyone knows anything about an obscure yacht designer in Gosford it will be he.
05-12-2013 09:25 PM
djaustralia
Re: Seeking WARATAH yacht plans please

I have contacted the ANMM and they're looking into it for me. For that I thank you. I have already contacted the aus' and NZ ship register but it's exactly that, a register for 'ships' not small yachts. I have contacted M.A.S.T but they found no yachts 'currently' registered matching what I'm looking for. My search also includes contacting the tas' library service to find dennis' death notice in a tas' newspaper archives (in the hope of finding/contacting relatives, I'll be doing that this week sometime) and the Gosford city council to see what info they had on dennis ( I can now tell you where he lived in the 70's!). I've searched aus and UK websites that list yacht designers of the 60's & 70's suffice to say theres quite a few designers out there both old and new and my search included looking for the designers name and the relative design I'm seeking. I have also, just in the last couple of days, spent some time on the phone with King isl' residents. One of which suprised me by saying he may well have seen the ORION 3 in someones front yard about 20 years ago, he said what he saw looked like a hartley but it's gone now. He gave me contact info of a mate who's been on the island since '77 so I've sent pics to them and so far there's a small but visible light at the end of the tunnel. My efforts have also involved spending many late nights (into the early hours of morning) surfing the web to cover as many bases as I can. I'm about to surf the white pages online listings to call those with the same surname as dennis, but there's only so many hours in a day!
05-12-2013 08:33 PM
Classic30
Re: Seeking WARATAH yacht plans please

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I thought you said there was nothing more for you to add? Time is also one direction I have left. It's a small world with the WWW and it's only a matter of time and I will get some answers.
DJ, your attitude certainly stinks and your flame attacks here are unwarranted.

..and there is plenty I (and others here I'm sure) can add if you can be bothered to ask nicely: Given that your initial attempts to straight-out ask the world for copies of obscure plans have failed thus far, it'll require you to get off your backside and do some digging. Having been down a similar path myself, I've already told you where your answers are most likely to lie, but if you must do it the hard way, ask Mr Mori Flapan of ANZ Ship Register if he knows anything about your designer - and don't tell him I told you.

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To my knowledge the ORION 3 was built with mahogany ply!
It's the glue that fails, not the timber...

Cor blimey!
05-11-2013 03:38 AM
djaustralia
Re: Seeking WARATAH yacht plans please

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Originally Posted by krisscross View Post
Yes, but that proper maintenance is often hard to find, especially in the tropics. If you go on any boats for sale site, like Yachtworld, Soundings, etc. you will see that wooden boats that are 40 years old or older are very rare, and the ones surviving are typically larger boats built by famous yards. And almost none of them are made of plywood, which is not as durable as mahogany, used in construction of high quality boats.
To my knowledge the ORION 3 was built with mahogany ply!
05-11-2013 03:33 AM
djaustralia
Re: Seeking WARATAH yacht plans please

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Originally Posted by jephotog View Post
Without breaking rules that trigger responses from the moderators there is a web etiquette that goes beyond just trying to sell copyrighted materials. Attacking longtime residents of a board is certainly not going to get you results or win you popularity from the other members of this board.
For your information... I at no point have tried to sell copyrighted material. -Watch you don't slander someone now!- I have merely asked if it may be possible under certain circumstances. As it stands 'FYI', the designer of this yacht passed away many years ago and to my limited (but growing) knowledge left few or no living relatives to carry on his legacy. I have since spoken to an intellectual property lawyer at a very reputable firm to gain valuable insight. Anyone can copy and sell any copyrighted material but they do so at their own risk, the risk of having legal action taken against them in one form or another. Also I haven't "attacked" any members on this site. I simply retorted in a manner befitting of the respondent. I can post any information on a thread as I see fit to. If I should break any forum rules I'm positive a goody little two shoes/non sinner would soon cast my details to the moderators lion pit. So again I will state that I have good reason to be on this site posting the information that I have. I'm always keen to discuss this yacht and anything that is related. As it is I have just gotten off the phone with a King isl' local and I'm being referred around to more of them. So my search is not in vain.
05-11-2013 02:22 AM
djaustralia
Re: Seeking WARATAH yacht plans please

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Originally Posted by Hartley18 View Post
I put the time in to explain the situation to you and point you in what, as I see it, is the only direction you've got left... and this is the way you respond??

Good luck with that approach.
I thought you said there was nothing more for you to add? Time is also one direction I have left. It's a small world with the WWW and it's only a matter of time and I will get some answers.
05-10-2013 09:11 AM
krisscross
Re: Seeking WARATAH yacht plans please

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Originally Posted by djaustralia View Post
If well maintained, timber can outlast just about any man made product. Boat owners of all people should know that!
Yes, but that proper maintenance is often hard to find, especially in the tropics. If you go on any boats for sale site, like Yachtworld, Soundings, etc. you will see that wooden boats that are 40 years old or older are very rare, and the ones surviving are typically larger boats built by famous yards. And almost none of them are made of plywood, which is not as durable as mahogany, used in construction of high quality boats.
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