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05-18-2013 02:06 AM
Re: Do dock lines go with the boat?

My brother is a cheap a hole and took the light bulbs when he moved out lol!

Did you get the lines or let him keep them. Where did this end?
05-17-2013 02:37 PM
Re: Do dock lines go with the boat?

Sounds like the type of person who takes the light bulbs when they move.

Keep in mind that Karma gets them in the end - how much can a person as cheap and miserable as that enjoy their life?

They are ever with us. A comedian once commented that even if there was only one person left in the world, there'd still be an a$$hole around.

Besides, nice new colour matched dock lines are usually the first thing I treat my new boats to.
05-17-2013 12:25 AM
Re: Do dock lines go with the boat?

And don't forget that whenever is good for him isn't good for you. You can only meet at your lawyers office between 4-6 pm(rush hour) and your lawyer is 30 miles away.
05-16-2013 07:56 PM
Re: Do dock lines go with the boat?

So whenever someone does something like this my first thought is to see what entertainment value I can get out of it.
So you go on the internet and copy and past some legal documents and make up a three to five page contract whereby you release said dock lines, party of the first part and party of the second part etc. etc. pending insurance, post facto etc. etc.
You need his ssn, dob and licence etc.

You tell your new friend that you would be happy to release the dock lines to him but that your attorney is a real ball breaker and when you mentioned that some real property was to change hands after the closing of the boat that to protect yourself and maintain your insurance you had to have this document signed and notarized.

Because god forbid if he used your lines on another boat and something happened you have to be protected.

Your lawyer may need to be present and he might want his lawyer present also for the closing of the dock lines.

You are very sorry and want to just give him the lines but you know lawyers and insurance, you can't fight city hall.
The closing shouldn't take more than two or three hours.

Then ask him when would be good for him?
05-16-2013 07:41 PM
Re: Do dock lines go with the boat?

I figure that after you sell the boat, and the money changes hands and the signatures are signed- at that point, you no longer have the right to climb aboard unannounced and unaccompanied, and you no longer have the right to determine what stays and what goes- if it wasn't implicitly stated that it does NOT stay with the boat, then it stays with the boat.

all that aside, what kind of penny-ante, small time, middle-school bullshlitz jerk-off demands keeping the docklines when he sells the boat that aforementioned lines attach to aforementioned dock?
Cut the lines.
05-16-2013 06:36 PM
Re: Do dock lines go with the boat?

Originally Posted by jimgo View Post
I agree, clarity is the key.

Now, let's hope you don't need to sell any time soon!
Amen, I hope to never need to, but don't plan to hope to either.
05-16-2013 11:23 AM
c. breeze
Re: Do dock lines go with the boat?

When I just sold lately, the contract/ bill if sale had a list of equipment specifically conveyed in the sale- and the buyer was sitting there as we made it up- and as I had a few things I needed off the boat- also had a short list of exclusions- as well as an expiration date, a date by which if they were not removed, they were forfeit, in this case the day after the closing. The purchaser was there while that portion was done as well. This meant that he and I had both taken care of everything on the boat that we viewed as a priority. The rest- icing on the cake, or a hassle to dispose of- eye of the beholder... In practice what happened was - we did the deal, went back to the boat and while I grabbed my binos, solar panel, and cast iron skillet- he started going through stuff and had a hefty bag full o stuff "I could keep" when I took off- translation "do you min throwing out this junk you left on my boat?" Or something to that effect. Pretty seamless- pretty easy. As for dock lines- I kept a set- and left a set. I was sure of two things, he and I both needed some, but I was unclear on whether my new boat would have any...
05-16-2013 09:40 AM
Re: Do dock lines go with the boat?

FWIW, dock lines were on sale at the West Marine here last weekend.
05-16-2013 08:51 AM
Re: Do dock lines go with the boat?

I agree, clarity is the key.

Now, let's hope you don't need to sell any time soon!
05-16-2013 06:31 AM
Re: Do dock lines go with the boat?

Originally Posted by jimgo View Post
Minne, I think it comes down to the buyer's reasonable expectations. It would be unreasonable to expect that your wallet would come with the boat. It's much more reasonable to expect that the dock likes will convey.
Exactly. Just because you saw it or found it on the boat, doesn't legally entitle you to it, as many have suggested.

However, the concept of reasonable is quite vague and, if two parties can't willfully agree on it, you need a mediator or court to settle it. Therefore, much smarter to leave nothing vague in the contract, although, most are.

I will write down exactly what comes with my boat when I sell her. Exactly. I will probably leave much more behind, but there should be no room for worrying about what each party thinks is reasonable. This is what you will get and have no right to more. I will not list the docklines, but will leave them anyway. First, its customary. Second, they are a consumable item and I would want to start fresh on my next boat, or it will likely come with its own too.

If, during contract negotiations, the buyers whats to add the four docklines, I'll have no objection. I'm sure they will want and I will leave the custom transom fender, but I'm probably not listing it. What if I lost it? I would want to keep my bosuns chair, my handheld radios, board games, tools, etc. Anything not listed will not be my responsibility to include, but I may anyway. There is just way to much to list it by exclusion. Its all out, unless listed as in.

Clarity is the key.
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