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05-14-2013 04:33 PM
SlowButSteady
Re: USCG 2012 Boating Accident stats--"It ain't us?"..

It would be nice if they had made some sort of attempt at standardizing their data (e.g., deaths per hours of use, etc.), unless I missed such when I looked at the linked site.
05-14-2013 04:22 PM
MikeOReilly
Re: USCG 2012 Boating Accident stats--"It ain't us?"..

I always point to these kinds of stats whenever we get into discussions about insurance. While all stats are tricky, and these certainly do not tell the whole story, what they do indicate is how very safe sailboating is. The real risks involved are exceedingly small.

Since insurance is about managing, or mitigating risk, it's instructive to consider what the actual level of risk really is.
05-14-2013 03:53 PM
c. breeze
Re: USCG 2012 Boating Accident stats--"It ain't us?"..

You won't get any argument from me- I cant imagine that the increasing expense is drawing more folks out... I just sort of tune it out once I hit crowd overload- it goes from reasonable to way to crowded really quickly for me- its about a one boat difference and I never know if it'll be the 9th or the 90th boat that sets me off... It's definitely an area of black and white though. Better or worse...
05-14-2013 03:45 PM
mad_machine
Re: USCG 2012 Boating Accident stats--"It ain't us?"..

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Originally Posted by c. breeze View Post
Looking out at the Wilmington bull and savannah rivers this weekend I would be hard pressed to believe it could be number of boaters going down overall. It still seems plenty crowded- of course if you used to see 35 boats a day- you aren't going to notice when it dwindles to a measly 30 a day- it will still just "feel" crowded.
I just know here in South Jersey, looking out at the Absecon Inlet between Atlantic City and Brigantine, before the economy tanked and gas went to $5+ dollars a gallon, you could walk across the inlet from AC to brigantine without getting wet due to all the boats.

now-a-days, there might be a dozen out there
05-14-2013 03:32 PM
nolatom
Re: USCG 2012 Boating Accident stats--"It ain't us?"..

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Statistics are tricky. Obviously there are many times more powerboats than sailboats. I have seen numbers like 13 million powerboats and 45,000 sailboats - that is like 290:1 ratio.
So if sailboat fatalities were at a ratio of 10:1 that is nothing to be happy about.

The numbers I saw here:

http://oceanservice.noaa.gov/website...f/14boatus.pdf

indicate about 15 million boats, of which 1.7 million are sailboats, or around 11%

whereas the number of sailboat deaths from the 2012 CG stats is 27 of 651, or 4%

so I'm staying outta them open motorboats....... ;-) except in race committee work, it's safer there 'cause the sailboats protect us (aside from when they barge the start at the committee boat end).
05-14-2013 02:16 PM
Minnesail
Re: USCG 2012 Boating Accident stats--"It ain't us?"..

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Originally Posted by krisscross View Post
Statistics are tricky. Obviously there are many times more powerboats than sailboats. I have seen numbers like 13 million powerboats and 45,000 sailboats - that is like 290:1 ratio.
So if sailboat fatalities were at a ratio of 10:1 that is nothing to be happy about.
Statistics are very tricky!

Open powerboat trips tend to be quite brief. On a three-day powerboat weekend might spend a total of six hours in the boat pulling a skier or a tube around, whereas on a three-day sailboat weekend you might spend sixty hours in the boat.
05-14-2013 01:44 PM
tommays
Re: USCG 2012 Boating Accident stats--"It ain't us?"..

There has certainly been a LOT OF PUBLIC DISPLAY OF RULES ENFORCEMENT in my area with a HUGE ANTI BWI effort
05-14-2013 01:16 PM
denverd0n
Re: USCG 2012 Boating Accident stats--"It ain't us?"..

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Originally Posted by mad_machine View Post
I am glad that deaths are down. Maybe more people are carrying the proper equipment now? or is it just less boaters on the water?
I suspect that it is more states putting more emphasis on arresting boaters under the influence of alcohol, and making sure to publicize all such arrests. At least, they're doing that here in Florida.
05-14-2013 01:04 PM
krisscross
Re: USCG 2012 Boating Accident stats--"It ain't us?"..

Statistics are tricky. Obviously there are many times more powerboats than sailboats. I have seen numbers like 13 million powerboats and 45,000 sailboats - that is like 290:1 ratio.
So if sailboat fatalities were at a ratio of 10:1 that is nothing to be happy about.
05-14-2013 12:38 PM
PCP
Re: USCG 2012 Boating Accident stats--"It ain't us?"..

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Total deaths 651, 286 of which in from open motorboat, 58 PWC, 55 cabin motorboat, 52 canoe, 44 pontoon, then it drops off. 3 types of sailboats (auxiliary, sail only, and "unknown") combined for 27.

There may be some page in there that tells you a ratio of deaths to the type of boat, but I suspect the sailboat crowd comes in safer than the bad actors in those open motorboats......

....
That's the relevant part, I mean what is the proportion of open motorboats to sailboats. I suppose there are a lot more open motor boats in the States but it would tale a percentage of more then 10 to one to gave an approximated number. Maybe there are.

I would be more interested to know if there are more small boats (yachts) rescues offshore now than in the past but they never detail the data and anyway it would have to be a global survey to make sense.

Regards

Paulo
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