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07-07-2013 12:55 AM
Advocate777
Re: Danish Sailing Vessel taken by pirates

Creative defense for all sailboats: the next frontier.
Maybe West Marine will start selling a mechanized .50 cal swivel gun that mounts next to the anchor winch. Maybe some ship to ship mini-missile launchers by the stanchions. Or mast mounted hear-seeking grenade launchers.
C'mon West Marine! Serve the boating public!
Then sailing off the Somali Coast will e FUN!
07-03-2013 02:12 PM
NeilAW
Re: Danish Sailing Vessel taken by pirates

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Originally Posted by djaustralia View Post
If the americans and the UN want to get serious, send an aircraft carrier in for a year or 2! I have no doubt the pilots on said carrier would relish the oppurtunity to get some worthwhile target practice and serve the greater boating/shipping community at the same time. It sounds like fun to me and for the cost of having many naval vessels on patrol with limited abilities it would be better to have 1 carrier based central to the action and send out the jets when distress signals are intercepted. I could see pirates finding another career pretty quick with a carrier on the loose. Why don't shipping companies mount big cal' mini guns on their ships for a start. Their insurance companies would surely encourage this and the crews could sleep easy. As for red tape I think it's crap! This is the modern world, why are we tolerating this sh!t. If pirates want to commit such acts then they deserve whats coming to them, death at sea or loss of all assets and a long time behind bars in a third world prison.
The US Navy, as well as other NATO Navies are routinely off the Horn of Africa, and they can see the pirates onshore, just waiting for them to go over the horizon. Its just not practical or finacialy responcible right now to park a flat top there for 1 year or more. That costs a lot, and we are broke.

2 cents

Neil
06-16-2013 12:08 PM
lgherb
Re: Danish Sailing Vessel taken by pirates

I wish someone would take one of these, cruise slowly around Somalia, and when the pirates are all mostly on deck, dive.

U.S. Submarines
06-03-2013 01:55 PM
tommays
Re: Danish Sailing Vessel taken by pirates

3 different innocent 21 years olds were shot DEAD on the street right down the block from here over the weekend in a round of MS-13 initiations


Why do we expect it any different in worse places ?
06-03-2013 01:46 PM
krisscross
Re: Danish Sailing Vessel taken by pirates

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Originally Posted by capta View Post
Choice, what choice? Seriously, if one can't even sail to the traditionally friendly islands of the Eastern Caribbean without these hassles what are our choices? Would you suggest we all stay home and follow other people through their blogs and forum postings. Oh wait, if we all stay home, who will blog or post of adventures in far away places?
Adventuring comes with risks, be it from weather, rocks or "piracy". People die climbing Everest every year; should nobody climb Everest?
One should not stop living for fear of dying.
Perfectly valid points. Cruising involves all sorts of risks. Still we make choices based on our personal tolerance to risk, or a preference to one type of risk over another. While I would sail to St. Maarten with all it's crime, I would not go anywhere near Somalia. That is all I had in mind.
06-01-2013 04:53 PM
capta
Re: Danish Sailing Vessel taken by pirates

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Originally Posted by krisscross View Post
It would seem to me that cruisers have a choice of route they take. If they decide on passing through pirate infested waters, they do so at their own peril. Commercial ships usually have no such choice and that is why there is a difference. Just like cruisers can (and should) wait for a good weather window when attempting a passage.
It may not be "piracy" as such, but crime against cruisers is definitely on the increase. A cruiser was shot aboard his boat in Bequia last year, BEQUIA, for crying out loud!. Many boardings, break-ins and robberies in St. Vincent, St Lucia, Antigua and St. Maarten over the last year or so. Don't even think of sailing too close to Venezuela on your way to the ABC's or Trinidad.
Choice, what choice? Seriously, if one can't even sail to the traditionally friendly islands of the Eastern Caribbean without these hassles what are our choices? Would you suggest we all stay home and follow other people through their blogs and forum postings. Oh wait, if we all stay home, who will blog or post of adventures in far away places?
Adventuring comes with risks, be it from weather, rocks or "piracy". People die climbing Everest every year; should nobody climb Everest?
One should not stop living for fear of dying.
05-20-2013 03:19 AM
djaustralia
Re: Danish Sailing Vessel taken by pirates

If the americans and the UN want to get serious, send an aircraft carrier in for a year or 2! I have no doubt the pilots on said carrier would relish the oppurtunity to get some worthwhile target practice and serve the greater boating/shipping community at the same time. It sounds like fun to me and for the cost of having many naval vessels on patrol with limited abilities it would be better to have 1 carrier based central to the action and send out the jets when distress signals are intercepted. I could see pirates finding another career pretty quick with a carrier on the loose. Why don't shipping companies mount big cal' mini guns on their ships for a start. Their insurance companies would surely encourage this and the crews could sleep easy. As for red tape I think it's crap! This is the modern world, why are we tolerating this sh!t. If pirates want to commit such acts then they deserve whats coming to them, death at sea or loss of all assets and a long time behind bars in a third world prison.
05-17-2013 12:51 PM
krisscross
Re: Danish Sailing Vessel taken by pirates

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Originally Posted by PCP View Post
I guess that was not what you wanted to say. Piracy is a big problem for cruisers, at least to the ones that want to voyage to faraway places or circumnavigate.
It would seem to me that cruisers have a choice of route they take. If they decide on passing through pirate infested waters, they do so at their own peril. Commercial ships usually have no such choice and that is why there is a difference. Just like cruisers can (and should) wait for a good weather window when attempting a passage.
05-17-2013 11:15 AM
PCP
Re: Danish Sailing Vessel taken by pirates

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Originally Posted by krisscross View Post
Piracy is a very minor problem for cruisers,...
I guess that was not what you wanted to say. Piracy is a big problem for cruisers, at least to the ones that want to voyage to faraway places or circumnavigate.

It is not a big problem regarding economy in what regards cruising and Yachting at a global level since the cruisers that cruise in far away and not secure places are a tiny minority.

Regards

Paulo
05-17-2013 10:30 AM
krisscross
Re: Danish Sailing Vessel taken by pirates

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Originally Posted by c. breeze View Post
Somehow the war for oil was immoral- but killing for the sake of the convenience of .000000000002 percent of the population- the cruisers who will cruise the IO- is ok.

I'm embarrassed as a sailor, a GWOT veteran, and an American. What a disgrace.
My friend, you should educate yourself a little before speaking so strongly. In Somalia, and elsewhere, vessels most commonly attacked by pirates are container ships, bulk carriers and tankers loaded with oil, chemicals and other products. Piracy is a very minor problem for cruisers, but it is a serious problem for international commerce.
Read more here: Piracy falls in 2012, but seas off East and West Africa remain dangerous, says IMB
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