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05-25-2013 11:51 AM
Faster
Re: Reefing set-up for Contessa

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Originally Posted by asdf38 View Post
Ok one last question.

Bowline, or running bowline around the boom?
Either should work but a running bowline might tend to 'choke' on the boom and inhibit 'outhauling'...
05-25-2013 11:43 AM
asdf38
Re: Reefing set-up for Contessa

Ok one last question.

Bowline, or running bowline around the boom?

Ok and one more I don't want to make a new thread for: My whisker pole can't get around the cringle on my headsail. In the past, I tied a small loop of line through the cringle of the headsail clew and was wondering again if there is a better way I might be missing?
05-24-2013 11:54 AM
asdf38
Re: Reefing set-up for Contessa

Ok so I've got my solution: The sailmaker working on my new main was already adding the slits. So I'll stick to the bowline idea and no new hardware needed. Simplicity is good.

Thanks for the help (I didn't even know to ask about the slits before coming here).
05-23-2013 02:36 PM
sailingfool
Re: Reefing set-up for Contessa

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Between adding grommets to the main or padeys to the boom which would be preferable? They seem comparable in terms of overall simplicity.
Simple answer: don't add any padeyes or blocks to your boom. If you already have any, figure out how to remove them and do so. In case of an accidental gybe, the flat part of the boom hitting a head may be a bruise, where being hit by the corner of a padeye may be fatal (think pick axe...).

The way I've seen sailmakers make this provision nowadays is to sew a short section of cloth strapping to the foot, as reinforcement, then make a slit in it and sail with a hotknife, which seals the opening. Better yet, just request a loose foot, should be less expensive.
05-23-2013 02:24 PM
Faster
Re: Reefing set-up for Contessa

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Faster, any reason I'd go to the sail loft for velcro instead of just any store?
The clew strap is a heavy webbing with velcro added... you're not relying solely on the velcro strip.

Alex is right, though, in that it may not be all that easy to use as they do wrap around more than once.. but it's a nice secure, removable way to hold the clew down. A proper arrangement of padeyes and blocks would be much more convenient.
05-23-2013 02:14 PM
Alex W
Re: Reefing set-up for Contessa

Sorry, I had assumed a loose footed main. That is what most sail makers have made for the last decade and I'm not used to seeing boltropes anymore. If you have boltrope main then I would go for the padeye.

The velcro strap needs to hold the sail tight to the boom. There is a high area of loop to hook contact, and some if it is going through the cringle on the boom. It just takes a couple of minutes to set it up, and that isn't something that I'd want to do while reefing (especially if reefing on demand because of a sudden weather change).
05-23-2013 02:03 PM
asdf38
Re: Reefing set-up for Contessa

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The reefing line coming from the aft end of the boom should pass thru the reef clew and then and be secured to the boom, preferably with a running bowline. Additional padeyes/blocks are not needed. Most likely the foot of your sail has a grommet or other opening below the reefing clew to permit the reefing line to be terminated around the boom. See post 15 in thread http://www.sailnet.com/forums/learni...youve-got.html for hot to secure the reefing line.
Ok, I see what you're saying. Part of my confusion is that I don't have any openings or grommets in my old main and hadn't seen that before. Although as it happens, I have a new main on order right now. We didn't talk specifically about that so I assume they are copying my old main and not adding anything.

I doubt they've started any work so I could call them on this.

Between adding grommets to the main or padeys to the boom which would be preferable? They seem comparable in terms of overall simplicity.
05-23-2013 01:30 PM
sailingfool
Re: Reefing set-up for Contessa

The reefing line coming from the aft end of the boom should pass thru the reef clew and then and be secured to the boom, preferably with a running bowline. Additional padeyes/blocks are not needed. Most likely the foot of your sail has a grommet or other opening below the reefing clew to permit the reefing line to be terminated around the boom. See post 15 in thread http://www.sailnet.com/forums/learni...youve-got.html for hot to secure the reefing line.
05-23-2013 01:27 PM
asdf38
Re: Reefing set-up for Contessa

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I only have one reef on my Pearson 28-2. There are padeyes on the boom for two of them however, and I'd have to add a second block to use the second one (or run one of them inside the boom, it has blocks for 3 lines and I'm only using two of them, outhaul and topping lift.

The main on my Catalina 25 was held on with the type of velcro strap that Faster recommends. It works really nicely, but it is a pain to use and might be hard to transfer between sails.

If your boom has no protrusions you could tie (or splice) a bowline into the of your reefing lines and pass that over the boom. That would do the job of the padeye, require no hardware. The new owner of my Catalina 25 is experimenting with that on his reefing line and it seems to work for him.
I have a hard time seeing the bowline work with a non loose footed main. Is that what you meant? I could run the line through the clew then back to the boom with a bowline but the sail would have to feed through the bowline as I moved up in reefs? This seems cumbersome and the bowline would have to be fairly loose to allow this.

As for the velcro that's obviously simple. Why was it a pain to use? I didn't know velcro was considered proper equipment for something like this but I don't really have a problem with it. The only downside is that I thought it was attractive to head up to the mast, reef and be done. This simply adds one more step following that. Velcro is much better than trying to tie an extra line like I was doing however.

Faster, any reason I'd go to the sail loft for velcro instead of just any store?
05-23-2013 01:16 PM
Alex W
Re: Reefing set-up for Contessa

I only have one reef on my Pearson 28-2. There are padeyes on the boom for two of them however, and I'd have to add a second block to use the second one (or run one of them inside the boom, it has blocks for 3 lines and I'm only using two of them, outhaul and topping lift.

The main on my Catalina 25 was held on with the type of velcro strap that Faster recommends. It works really nicely, but it is a pain to use and might be hard to transfer between sails.

If your boom has no protrusions you could tie (or splice) a bowline into the of your reefing lines and pass that over the boom. That would do the job of the padeye, require no hardware. The new owner of my Catalina 25 is experimenting with that on his reefing line and it seems to work for him.
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