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01-30-2007 10:59 AM
labatt Sailormann -

We usually do something slightly different. We drag our grappling hook across the bottom until we catch the ground tackle of one of the gold plated yachts. Then, when we leave, we accidentally pull up their stainless steel anchor (thinking it's ours). A few weeks later, when all of a sudden we realize that we have an extra anchor on board, we put it on eBay on use the money to repaint our bottom or get more cool boat stuff.
01-30-2007 10:39 AM
Cruisingdad Sailorman,

SO THAT WAS YOU YING UP TO ME!! Just wait until the next time I catch you.

- CD
01-30-2007 01:12 AM
Sailormann We have had great success with inexpensive grappling hooks - we wait until it's quite late and then pull up behind a big heavy gold plated yacht with a profuse array of deployed ground tackle - toss our grappling hook so that it hooks around their stern lifelines - tie it off on our bow cleat and go to bed. In the morning we apologise profusely while we're slipping the line off our bow cleat and sailing off.

In the past we used to lose a couple of anchors a year, average $175.00 - so this is actually cheaper as the hooks only cost about $10.00 each, and we are usually anchored for no more than 20 nights total in a season.
01-29-2007 03:10 AM
MansonAnchors Thanks for the great response Halekai36. Its great getting such fantastic feedback on the Manson Supreme.
We dont try and use these forums as a personal sales/marketing tool and hence, dont push our own products on them.
Appreciate the comments and try not to take on too much of what us anchor makers say.....we are all biased. Listen to those who use the products.
01-14-2007 09:06 PM
mrkeith
Quote:
Originally Posted by halekai36
My guess would be that you have most likely not been setting your anchor and the chain and "cynder block effect" have been holding you. Anchors MUST be set and should hold your boat in reverse at full throttle period. Full reverse throttle with a sail boat aux engine is barely 25 knots of wind in terms of force. I run approx 40 feet of 3/8 chain to a 5/8 rode with my anchor and it holds perfectly fine. You really MUST set an anchor by either backwinding the sails or backing down using the motor. Using the cynderblock and all chain technique is fine in benign conditions but not with winds over 15 knots. I have watched literally thousands of anchorings over the years where there was NO setting of the anchor. If this is what you are doing don't feel so bad this is a common theme among boaters. Though not a good theme!
yep, you are right, no offense taken!
thanks for the good point
01-14-2007 07:20 PM
Goodnewsboy Over the years, I have anchored with Danforth and CQR hooks with pretty good success. We used all chain on some occasions and we used nylon rope with a shot of chain at anchor end otherwise.

Glad I didn't know how ineffective those things were. I'd never have been able to sleep!
01-14-2007 05:33 PM
camaraderie For what it is worth...here's the regular price West charges for the steel Spade:
Anchor-Shade Steel 33 Only $449.99 USD Anchor-Spade Steel 44 Only $624.99 USD Anchor-Spade Steel 66 Only $939.99 USD

And here's the Deltas:

88lb $655.
55lb $450.00
44lb, $350.00
35lb $265.00
22lb $195.99
14lb $139.99
01-14-2007 04:25 PM
Maine Sail
Craig..

Quote:
Originally Posted by Craig Smith
Now hold on. I don't like quoting prices as they tend to get out-of-date, but here's an exception. Suncoast Marine's pricing (in Vancouver) for Rocna converted to USD vs Hamilton Marine's pricing for Supreme:

Code:
Kg    lbs    Rocna Canada    Supreme Hamilton
4.0    8.8    $196    
6.0    13.2    $235    
6.8    15.0            $190
10.0    22.0    $312    
11.3    25.0            $280
15.0    33.1    $383    
15.9    35.0            $398
20.0    44.1    $512    
20.4    45.0            $510
25.0    55.1    $619    
27.2    60.0            $678
33.0    72.8    $725
And Hamilton don't seem to go any higher with sizes so I've stopped the comparison there.
All net prices.

"Double" seems unfair.


Ref. the testing, and construction issues.


Don't bother, the Spade is better. I'm not saying the Delta is perfect, but it's pretty good. Not to be dismissed as "just another plow" along with the CQR etc.





Perhaps the prices for the BC Canada distributor have gone down and Hamilton's up but I still paid about half for my Manson when I bought it. Hamilton offers discounts, to good customers, well beyond their catalog prices and I happen to be considered a good customer with a Hamilton Harine account. Lots of folks in my area have Hamilton Marine accounts. Now I know this is a little unfair being that I get a discount but the reality is that I'm a boat owner and bought my Manson for about half the delivered price of the Rocna. The big clincher here is that you did not quote freight from Canada or the fact they told me that with customs and ground shipping it could take a month or more to get it.

If in fact the price for a Rocna and a Manson (to the end user) is only $42.00 more on the 25lb. size than I will buy one but we need a dealer here in the North East! The shipping charges from BC are outrageous.

Craig I'm not trying to slam you here. I support the general design and have no doubt the Rocna is better built and that it performs better. I would just like to be able to buy one at close to the price of a Manson Supreme without massive shipping charges.
01-14-2007 04:07 PM
Maine Sail
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrkeith
i always thought that it was the amount of chain dropped rather than anchor. i have a cqr which always held as long as i put 5x the chain out. i took off most of the chain cuz i was trying to lighten boat for racing, and yesterday the boat dragged for the first time after i dropped 2x the length for chain. wind was 25knots. i m guessing my problem was too little chain rather than anchor? i guess one can't race while maintaining sufficient chain? any thoughts? thanks
My guess would be that you have most likely not been setting your anchor and the chain and "cynder block effect" have been holding you. Anchors MUST be set and should hold your boat in reverse at full throttle period. Full reverse throttle with a sail boat aux engine is barely 25 knots of wind in terms of force. I run approx 40 feet of 3/8 chain to a 5/8 rode with my anchor and it holds perfectly fine. You really MUST set an anchor by either backwinding the sails or backing down using the motor. Using the cynderblock and all chain technique is fine in benign conditions but not with winds over 15 knots. I have watched literally thousands of anchorings over the years where there was NO setting of the anchor. If this is what you are doing don't feel so bad this is a common theme among boaters. Though not a good theme!
01-14-2007 03:25 PM
ianhlnd Cam - good luck on the RocSpaMan anchor

I guess if I had any other advice to give a newbie it would be to walk the docks, find a boat their size, and talk to the owner if he/she is experienced, how often they anchor out, and which anchors they prefer. Yacht and sailing clubs are good for that. The point being, different areas have different anchoring requirements, and as far as I know, there's no perfect all around anchor, but there are perfect anchors for some conditions. And, I'll tell ya, $600.00 for an anchor that won't meet the local conditions is a pretty expensive bow ornament. I tried to upload a picture but was unsuccessful of a chinese donut anchor used about 200 years ago. I found it on the bottom, obviously the anchor worked, the rode failed!
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