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06-03-2013 07:12 AM
Re: A bluewater live-aboard for under $20k

Another economist here. I'm going to suggest a modification to your plan. Why not start more slowly?

Your boat is going to eat your entire budget. Even if you can find a boat in your price range that will get you to the Caribbean, how are you going to eat on your trip? Pay for repairs? Budget for emergencies?

You should also consider your job search. I assume you are looking for degree-related employment. The market for MAs in economics is very thin. Particularly with the states in a budget crisis for the foreseeable future, it may take some time to find a job. I hire new MAs, and most of my candidates haven't completed their degrees yet. You should be budgeting some time and money to find a job.

Why not offer to crew on a longer trip while working on your thesis? That will give you a taste of cruising while minimizing cost and time away from starting your search. You'll also not be single-handing all the way to the Caribbean (if I understand your plans correctly).

The big markets for your degree are in DC and NYC. Both excellent sailing areas. Lots of people work a few years, save up a reasonable budget for a long trip, and take off.

Good luck, whatever you decide to do,

06-03-2013 12:17 AM
Re: A bluewater live-aboard for under $20k

Welcome to sail net. Stay out of bluewater for now. Get something that can cross from ft. laud to the carib for now. 20k for a boat ready for true blue water is a lot to ask. The east coast has a lot to offer for a beginner and experienced alike. Go cheap gain exp and get a blue water for the next one. Hunter morgan columbia coronado benateau jeanneau all great names that there are plenty of for great prices. know what the book value is and what the market value is. There is a big difference in most cases.
good luck
05-21-2013 07:55 AM
Re: A bluewater live-aboard for under $20k

If you are going to be coastal hopping and want to have a boat that can cruise longer distances on the cheap, a Vanguard that has been well maintained would be a good solution. Felicity is for sale in Falmouth Maine (no interest or relation) for $11,500 asking and looks to be in great shape with a rebuilt A4. They come in a standard or dinette layout, Felicity is a dinette. Boats are bullet proof older hulls. The dinette is great for living aboard, more galley space then the Bristol 35.5 I'm looking at.

Boat sails well for its age and type and will handle the bigger stuff easily. Three guys from St Anselms College bought one and did a three year circumnavigation as a graduation present to themselves. I spoke with the captain and he indicated the boat performed very well. I know of several in addition that have done pacific crossings and plenty of trans Atlantic crossings.

6'2" headroom, prettiest lines in the harbor, from the drawing board of Phil Rhodes.
I'm getting close to my time to cruise and if I were going solo, I'd do it on a Vanguard in a heartbeat. Would I like a bigger boat? Maybe a little bigger-for one its comfortable and for two its a squeeze, but the money I save and the simplicity of an easier to handle the design is very attractive. Its not camping, I have hot water, rerfigeration and an oven. The interior is plain, but a lot of the upgrades I have done have been mostly cosmetic and mine is becoming pretty darned yachty down below.
Guess I am biased, but seems to fit your budget-would that I had the clarity when I was your age to chuck it all and go on a journey.
05-15-2013 09:37 PM
Re: A bluewater live-aboard for under $20k


First what do you consider to be a bluewater boat? I'm in the camp that blue water saling is anytime you are more then 24 hours running time from shore. Blue water boats should have minimal cockpits size wise ie deffinately less then 1/4 of overall length.

I'm looking for a coastal boat that will take me from Nova Scotia to the Caribbean by coast hopping down the eastern seaboard. Being a live aboard then having a decent galley is important to me and not one of those god forsaken things tucked into the port or starboard side of the aft cabin. I like the Irwins and Columbia's for their layout. I also like the late 60's to pre 74 years as the hulls were thick and un cored. I also am looking for a shoal keel or full keel with tiller. Important stuff structural integrity and solid spars. I expect to replace the standing and running rigging as well as the electronics. Most boats I have looked at would also require additional tankage for fuel and water and waste. Something else to consider is opening ports. Many coastals don't really have them or enough and they are expensive to replace. There will only be two of us but we are still looking in the 30 to 35 foot range with at least 6 foot 1 of head room.

So my list:
Bristol *
Pearson ?
Cal ?

The largest open water passage we ever expect to make would be about 300 nm. And I'm not into racing in the least.

05-15-2013 08:30 PM
Re: A bluewater live-aboard for under $20k

If you are interested check out the Chuck Paine designed Bahama Sandpiper. We have one of 12 made. It has an 18" draft and a centerboard, a 5000 lb skeg, cutter-rigges and my fiance solo sailed it on the coast of Maine for 20 years. Now we will be parting with it to get a family boat in the 34" range. Let us know.
05-15-2013 08:21 AM
Re: A bluewater live-aboard for under $20k

Originally Posted by Unkle Toad View Post
3 weeks how has the Search been going. any new news?
Going to be looking at a Tartan 30, 34, and a C&C Corvette in a couple weeks. I'm in no hurry to make a move (unless the perfect one comes along), as this degree will now take another year with how I'm writing my thesis. :/ But next summer I set cast off for the Caribbean, so help me. In the mean time, sailing my little Puffer as much as possible.

Originally Posted by juggleandhope View Post
Two Tartan 30s were for sale/sail in NYC last summer for around 5K - one of them in better shape than the other but neither in bad shape. Both felt "huge" to me on the inside - made the little int'l folkboat i ended up choosing instead feel reassuringly simple.

Good luck.
Yeah I really like the simplicity of the Corvette. There was one in solid condition just down the road, the dealer had crazy deals to clear his lot for a repaving. Unfortunately she was gone before I could even visit.
05-15-2013 04:38 AM
Unkle Toad
Re: A bluewater live-aboard for under $20k

3 weeks how has the Search been going. any new news?
05-09-2013 09:20 PM
Re: A bluewater live-aboard for under $20k

Originally Posted by dogeconomics View Post
Tartan 30
Two Tartan 30s were for sale/sail in NYC last summer for around 5K - one of them in better shape than the other but neither in bad shape. Both felt "huge" to me on the inside - made the little int'l folkboat i ended up choosing instead feel reassuringly simple.

Good luck.
04-23-2013 05:29 PM
Re: A bluewater live-aboard for under $20k

Might also check out John Vigor's book, 20 Small Sailboats
04-23-2013 05:16 PM
Re: A bluewater live-aboard for under $20k

Originally Posted by Jeff_H View Post
First of all, I would suggest that there almost no such thing as a solid 'blue water cruiser' for less that $20,000 ready to go. At best you are looking at compromises.

Anyway, these are a few quick suggestions but they might move you in a direction that has not been mentioned......


I've read many of your posts and am thusly grateful for your response. The Tartan 30 is on this list because of one of your previous posts... possibly comparing it to a Vanguard. And the more input I get, the more I realize the term 'bluewater' doesn't really apply to what I'm looking for.

I'll start some research on the ones you pointed out. The Cheoy Lees are definitely good looking boats. The teak decks made me a bit nervous, but I'll watch for those with them removed. Family members are BIG Bristol fans and owners, so my respect for them wars with my desire to be a rebel and sail something different.

Again, thank you for taking the time to post here!

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