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06-05-2013 08:42 AM
Roger Long
Re: Hell Gate Transit - Advice Needed

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Originally Posted by tommays View Post
I would NOT do it in the dark ..
I'll second that. I have a lot of urban night boating experience and went with two crew who had made the trip before, one of them in the dark. Never again.

OTOH do not obsess about hitting Hell Gate right at slack. The turbulence is greatly over rated. Unless you have a clumsy and slow turning boat just get reasonably close and be sure you have a fair current going up the river.
06-04-2013 08:53 PM
edguy3
Re: Hell Gate Transit - Advice Needed

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Originally Posted by Tempest View Post
...I'm not sure if Great Kills is open yet either..
I called the place in Great Kills that I purchased diesel last year and received an out of service message. Shortly after updating active captain about the phone number, it was further updated indicating that the marina was closed.
All of the other fuel stations in Great Kills are listed as closed as well.

Bahrs Landing Marina at the inside base of the hook ( just past Atlantic Highlands) and a few others in that general area are reported open. Couldnt get close enough to confirm.

/ed
06-04-2013 08:01 PM
rockDAWG
Re: Hell Gate Transit - Advice Needed

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Originally Posted by Tempest View Post
Just a heads up... I would double check ( call for) diesel fuel availability in the Atlantic Highlands, I believe that they may be temporarily closed. I'm not sure if Great Kills is open yet either..Liberty landing may have diesel. I'm being told that Atlantic Highlands YC will not be renting mooring balls this season. You can anchor as always, but launch service may be limited. You might just want to drop a hook in horseshoe cove behind sandy hook until 6 a.m. weather permitting. I'll know more about fuel stops as the week goes on.
Thanks for the head up. Keep us informed about the marina situations. We will try again this year to move my friend's Passport up to RI or Maine.
06-04-2013 06:44 PM
Tempest
Re: Hell Gate Transit - Advice Needed

Just a heads up... I would double check ( call for) diesel fuel availability in the Atlantic Highlands, I believe that they may be temporarily closed. I'm not sure if Great Kills is open yet either..Liberty landing may have diesel. I'm being told that Atlantic Highlands YC will not be renting mooring balls this season. You can anchor as always, but launch service may be limited. You might just want to drop a hook in horseshoe cove behind sandy hook until 6 a.m. weather permitting. I'll know more about fuel stops as the week goes on.

With regard to Hell Gate and the east river..... If coming from the south..I generally cross over to the right side of the main hudson river channel and stay east of the channel toward the bay ridge anchorage and either hug the anchorage or cut through it and take Buttermilk Channel ( behind Governor's island) to access the east river. Unless you feel you need a close up of the Statue. Make sure you keep Roosevelt island to your starboard going up river. Have a great trip..
06-04-2013 06:41 PM
rockDAWG
Re: Hell Gate Transit - Advice Needed

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Originally Posted by chef2sail View Post
I have to say as many times as I have traveled I would not go in the complete darkness. Last year we saw a picnic table submerged and a CNG container floating near Hell Gate by the trash transfer station. In the past we have seen many large objects in the water.
I would never advocate to go thru East River with our eyes closed. Unless NYC is under blackout, going thru East River or NY harbor is OK.
06-04-2013 06:24 PM
xort The android ap "Currents" works fantastic for scoping out currents in places like this.

We like to have 2 vhf radios, one on 16 and one on 13. Make a security call on 13 before Hell Gate. It's a blind corner. The harbor below the battery is more difficult than the Gate, watch for the ferries. Consider going behind governors island to avoid the ferry terminal if you are coming through during weekday rush hour
06-04-2013 06:01 PM
chef2sail
Re: Hell Gate Transit - Advice Needed

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Originally Posted by rockDAWG View Post
The danger of Hell Gate is so over rated. Since the OP is an experienced sailor, it would be easy for him with some common sense. I would advise the OP takes his camera and enjoy the sight of NYC skyline. Hell..... if the current is going to right direction, I would motor at night.

We lost our engine 1.5 nm from Hell Gate going south a few years ago. We raised our sails and steered over to the side and dropped the anchor, and called Towboat. We ended up at a Marina in City Island for 2 days. Well.... It is not like driving a 911 at 120 mph with only one or two microsecond to make your decision. No big deal.

East River is the only place I don't mind to motor. Enjoy the view. I know I will never get tired of seeing it over and over again.

Have a safe trip.
I agree with this comment for scenery and that the "Gate" is over rated considering what many of our brethren have to deal with in Seattle and Vancouver.

I have made the trip through here over 50 times and every time has a new photo moment I haven't seen before.

Try and find the spot where you get a picture of the Manhattan, Brooklyn Bridges and the Empire State and Chrysler Buildings all in the same frame.

I have to say as many times as I have traveled I would not go in the complete darkness. Last year we saw a picnic table submerged and a CNG container floating near Hell Gate by the trash transfer station. In the past we have seen many large objects in the water. There are seaplanes landing now after the Manhattan Bridge and the Williamsburg Bridge. Besides you'll miss the sights.

UN and Chrysler Buildings

Lady Liberty

At the confluence of the East and Harlem Rivers ( Hell Gate) looking south down the East River to the Battery

Chrysler Building

Empire State Building
06-04-2013 05:40 PM
ScottyG24
Hell Gate Transit - Advice Needed

I agree with RockDawg and Chef to sail. We did in our Oday 272LE bringing it from Lindenhurst when we purchased it to our mooring in Setauket Harbor by Port Jefferson. Id plan to motor at least from the battery till u pass Rikers and if i remember correctly time it so you arrive at the battery two hours before the tide. Check Eldriges to be exact or search Hellgate on this forum to be exact.A nice stop after is the Brewers Yard in SeaCliff LI. Cool town with nice pubs and resturants all walking distance. Youll pass one of the Brothers islands. Google it. Fascinating history. The river gets kinda stanky north of the Manhatten bridge and obviously give the commercial traffic a wide berth.
06-04-2013 03:04 PM
rockDAWG
Re: Hell Gate Transit - Advice Needed

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Originally Posted by chef2sail View Post

Hell Gate is not as imposing as you think, just want to not run against the tide that's all.
The danger of Hell Gate is so over rated. Since the OP is an experienced sailor, it would be easy for him with some common sense. I would advise the OP takes his camera and enjoy the sight of NYC skyline. Hell..... if the current is going to right direction, I would motor at night.

We lost our engine 1.5 nm from Hell Gate going south a few years ago. We raised our sails and steered over to the side and dropped the anchor, and called Towboat. We ended up at a Marina in City Island for 2 days. Well.... It is not like driving a 911 at 120 mph with only one or two microsecond to make your decision. No big deal.

East River is the only place I don't mind to motor. Enjoy the view. I know I will never get tired of seeing it over and over again.

Have a safe trip.
06-04-2013 02:34 PM
chef2sail
Re: Hell Gate Transit - Advice Needed

Fuel....Cheapest fuel in three states is at Atlantic Highlands, also can stop at Liberty Landing next to the statue of Liberty

If what you wrote is that you are arriving at NY harbor at 12 midnight, Id go down to Atlantic Highlands and await the tide change. Leave there at 6 AM and you will sweep up through the NY Harbor and then East River with the current to the LI Sound by noon. Current starts running against you at 11:30 PM June Ninth

Hell Gate is not as imposing as you think, just want to not run against the tide that's all. The tugs and barges general run 1 hour either side of slack tide so I would avoid that. As you turn the corner from the East River to go through Hell gate just give any other vessels in that turn room.

Looking south through Hell Gate. In the distance is the East River bank

Roosevelt Island close to Hell Gate..note SOG. we have hit speeds as high as 13.4

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