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06-08-2013 09:40 PM
chuck53
Re: New Sailer Looking for Sage Advice

Guys, the OP hasn't posted in 2-1/2 months. I doubt he's even on SN anymore.
06-08-2013 11:20 AM
Windclimber
Re: New Sailer Looking for Sage Advice

Get a copy of River-Horse by William Least Heat Moon (who wrote the bestseller Blue Highways years ago.) When he's not going off on tangents he tells the story of crossing the country by small boat, east to west, portaging by trailer when he has to.

The Mississippi delta is not just a few divergent branches and then a pop into the sea - take a good look at some charts and Google maps! And there's some serious commercial shipping there, so MAKE SURE you can get out of the way!

Also, if you're planning to go "to the ocean and back" but not out on the ocean, a sailboat is probably not your best choice for the river, especially coming back up! These days it's amazing how much powerboat you can get for a few thousand, and on the return trip, going against the current for 1200 miles, you're going to need a little power. I'm a sailboat-er, for sure, but on the river, since you're not going to be doing any appreciable sailing anyway, a powerboat would have much more living space and be more comfortable.
PS - Originally I come from Pittsburgh, up the Allegheny from the Ohio, so I've been on that water. There aren't nearly as many barges traveling there as I remember (is "Rocket" still rolling?), but damn, I'd really, really hate trying to both keep my keel out of the slurpy muddy banks and keep my "sailboats have right of way" with a barge!

Good luck, and remember, an adventure is never, ever what one expects: that's the rule!
06-06-2013 01:55 AM
tparoxtar
Re: New Sailer Looking for Sage Advice

My advice? Look out for debris! That river is littered with trees, logs and other fun stuff to crack your hull.
03-20-2013 05:02 PM
joebow
Re: New Sailer Looking for Sage Advice

Ultimately no sail boat, at this point, is out of the realm of possibilities so long as it can support an extended stay and won't accompany me to the bottom of the river. I've been cruising Craigslist for a few days just seeing whats out there and can get, what appears to be, some good deals. Like I said, at this point in time i'm all about getting some book knowledge; following that i'll be taking a basic and intermediary course on sailing at the local club. Charter a few sail boats to get a better feel for the various options and then work on some creative financing options.
03-19-2013 09:43 AM
chuck53
Re: New Sailer Looking for Sage Advice

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Originally Posted by jimgo View Post
Chuck, you aren't wrong, but C25s with inboards are rare.
Thanks Jim for the verification. I thought I had seen a C25 some years ago with an inboard but I did some digging on the internet and couldn't find anything to support my memory.
Anyway, there are plenty of 27's with inboards.


It would be nice to hear back from joebow on this.
03-19-2013 09:34 AM
jimgo
Re: New Sailer Looking for Sage Advice

Chuck, you aren't wrong, but C25s with inboards are rare.
03-19-2013 09:32 AM
chuck53
Re: New Sailer Looking for Sage Advice

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Originally Posted by chuck53 View Post
I'm obviously partial to Catalinas, and a good place to start would be a Catalina 25, if you can find any with inboards or the Catalina 27. You'll find quite a few 27's with inboards.
They are very good boats, very popular and thousands of each were made.
I think I'm wrong about the C-25 being available with an inboard engine. Looks like the smallest Catalina with inboard would be the C-27.
03-18-2013 09:41 PM
zedboy
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Joe,

Rather than dictating things you're a little beyond yourself on (I had a ketch; we kept the main on the mainmast, and the mizzen on the mizzen. A second main wouldn't have fit well on the mizzen. In some 20 years of two mast obsession I've seen exactly one schooner with equal masts, and it didn't even have two mainsails!) you might consider seeing what's out there for cheap on craigslist.

A few thousand $ could find you the boat that might fulfil your dreams. Come back here with candidates and the nice folks will help you evaluate. Your initial criteria are pretty good: a head, a galley, a berth. Rules out some tiny pocket cruisers and daysailors. Might add standing headroom, and figure out draft limitations. 5' will do you on the canal systems in Ontario I believe, but I think Mark Twain's riverboats drew less than 2'.

Sorry, not many double masters made in the last 50 years under 35' or so - no need to split the rig. I had one, but it wasn't a comfortable cruising boat
03-18-2013 04:17 PM
jameswilson29
Re: New Sailer Looking for Sage Advice

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Originally Posted by joebow View Post
My first thought was a main per mast, a place to sleep, eat and use the restroom... As for the motor it will be inside but I'm not sure of the pros and cons of gas vs des at the moment.
The Chesapeake workboats have a cool, gritty look with the engine on top of the open cockpit floor, covered by a removable box, so you might want to re-think the engine inside preference.

I have also wondered why one doesn't just install the restroom outside, like a green Don's John bolted to the cockpit floor of a large boat. Get's the odor out of the cabin and promotes circulation in the restroom.

I think we may be looking at a custom 2-masted boat here!
03-18-2013 03:29 PM
chuck53
Re: New Sailer Looking for Sage Advice

Well, you will be looking at no less than 25'. I don't know of any boat smaller than that with an inboard and even then, they are few and far between. Most inboards are 27' and up. Most sailboats these days have diesels but some older boats may still have the old Atomic 4 gas engine. I've never had one but I understand they were fairly reliable and easy to work on. Still, diesels are they way to go.
I'm obviously partial to Catalinas, and a good place to start would be a Catalina 25, if you can find any with inboards or the Catalina 27. You'll find quite a few 27's with inboards.
They are very good boats, very popular and thousands of each were made.
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