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21 Hours Ago 05:50 PM
travlineasy
Re: Crab Pots in Channels, oh My!

Shawn, until a few weeks ago, my son lived near Hamstead and he told me the same thing. Here, in Harford County, the tax is about $28 a year for homes, but businesses get slammed to the point where some have actually had to go out of business.

All the best,

Gary
22 Hours Ago 05:33 PM
MastUndSchotbruch
Re: Crab Pots in Channels, oh My!

Quote:
Originally Posted by travlineasy View Post
Mark, I couldn't agree more with your statement. The latest thing we have here in Maryland is a rain tax - YEP! You heard it right - a rain tax. If you have a home, it can cost you up to $125 a year for the home's impervious surfaces, roof, driveway, patio, deck - you name it, Governor O'Malley and the democratic controlled state house and senate will find a way to tax it.

....

Cheers,

Gary
Sorry, have to disagree here. I know some people love to call it at a 'rain tax,' just like some people call inheritance tax the 'death tax.'

But think about where the water from your impervious surfaces goes: into the storm drains. You know, storm drains do not grow out of thin air, someone has to build them, and someone has to maintain them. Someone has pay for all that. And down the line, the water from the storm drains with all that is flushed from your property does damage to the waterways which again costs money to fix.

What gives you the right not to pay for this service?

As for whether the money for the tax is not used for what it should be used, that is a different story. But don't ask others to pay for the disposal of the water on your property, or to prevent fouling of the waterways by it.
22 Hours Ago 04:58 PM
patrickbryant
Re: Crab Pots in Channels, oh My!

What? No air tax? You do breathe, right? So pay up!

I'm afraid that if we ever make contact with extraterrestrials, the first thing they'll do is present us with a past-due tax bill for 4.5 billion years of sunlight.
1 Day Ago 02:20 PM
T37Chef
Re: Crab Pots in Channels, oh My!

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Originally Posted by travlineasy View Post
Mark, I couldn't agree more with your statement. The latest thing we have here in Maryland is a rain tax - YEP! You heard it right - a rain tax. If you have a home, it can cost you up to $125 a year for the home's impervious surfaces, roof, driveway, patio, deck - you name it
Cheers,

Gary
Not in all counties. Carroll, where we live told O'Malley to bite it and we pay $.01 a year
3 Days Ago 05:36 PM
patrickbryant
Re: Crab Pots in Channels, oh My!

An entangled crab pot can sink your vessel! I found myself "anchored by the stern in swells" off Pillar Point Harbor (Half Moon Bay, CA) where I got a crab pot float jammed between my outboard prop and the engine anti-cavitation plate. Right in the entrance channel! The engine, fortunately, wasn't running. Even though I was in light swells, I had waves boarding my stern. Had the swells been up to the usual 8 feet, I would have been in real trouble.

I suggest carrying a tree pruner aboard.

I didn't have one, and had to improvise. Video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nj8oXKjRZxE
07-11-2013 05:04 PM
mark2gmtrans
Re: Crab Pots in Channels, oh My!

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Originally Posted by travlineasy View Post
Mark, I couldn't agree more with your statement. The latest thing we have here in Maryland is a rain tax - YEP! You heard it right - a rain tax. If you have a home, it can cost you up to $125 a year for the home's impervious surfaces, roof, driveway, patio, deck - you name it, Governor O'Malley and the democratic controlled state house and senate will find a way to tax it. Now, this money, along with billions of dollars already spent on various studies, is supposed to clean up Chesapeake Bay. However, it, like every other form of tax in this nation, will be dumped into the General Fund, where the tax and spend crazies will do what they please with it. With all the brash claims the bay cleanup program is making progress, you would be hard pressed to find anyone that actually spends time on the estuary that would agree with that assumption. On local TV last night, they interviewed a small business owner that will be paying an additional $30,000 per year for the newly enacted rain tax. It won't be long until the lawmakers find more, new ways of taxing our boats because we own them. Only politicians should be able to own boats!

Cheers,

Gary
Gary, I have long said that it should be a felony charge for every legislator and the executive branch to take a tax and use it for something other than what it was stated to be used for when the law was passed.

If we started locking these wasteful scoundrels up or publicly whipping them or something, I bet the taxes would go away quickly. Suddenly it would not be nearly so important to build bridges to nowhere, or study the nocturnal sex habits of the Nigerian Night Crawlers or some other such rubbish.

It is going to get worse, a lot worse, before (if) it gets better.
07-11-2013 04:39 PM
travlineasy
Re: Crab Pots in Channels, oh My!

Mark, I couldn't agree more with your statement. The latest thing we have here in Maryland is a rain tax - YEP! You heard it right - a rain tax. If you have a home, it can cost you up to $125 a year for the home's impervious surfaces, roof, driveway, patio, deck - you name it, Governor O'Malley and the democratic controlled state house and senate will find a way to tax it. Now, this money, along with billions of dollars already spent on various studies, is supposed to clean up Chesapeake Bay. However, it, like every other form of tax in this nation, will be dumped into the General Fund, where the tax and spend crazies will do what they please with it. With all the brash claims the bay cleanup program is making progress, you would be hard pressed to find anyone that actually spends time on the estuary that would agree with that assumption. On local TV last night, they interviewed a small business owner that will be paying an additional $30,000 per year for the newly enacted rain tax. It won't be long until the lawmakers find more, new ways of taxing our boats because we own them. Only politicians should be able to own boats!

Cheers,

Gary
07-09-2013 04:11 PM
mark2gmtrans
Re: Crab Pots in Channels, oh My!

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Originally Posted by travlineasy View Post
My full-keeled Morgan 33 O.I. doesn't snag them at all, but when I was running a 27 Catalina with a fin keel I managed to snag one just about every week. At the end of summer, the entire upper bay above Pooles Island is a minefield of crab pots, especially in depths of 5 to 15 feet, which is most of the area excluding the main channel.

As for the cutters, they work to some extent, but not always. And, they're expensive.

When I was running a 21 Proline powered with a 150 HP Yamaha outboard I wrapped a pot near the mouth of Whitehall Bay. That pot was a derelict and in 4 feet of water with no float attached. The line was floating just beneath the surface when I snagged it on my prop and wrapped the put around my prop and lower unit. The resulting damage set me back $1,600 for a replacement gear case and prop repair.

Keep in mind that according to a study done by VIMS, there are more than 1-million derelict crab pots in Chesapeake Bay. Despite claims to the contrary by commercial crabbers, those derelict pots kill something every day of the week. Not only do they kill crabs, they kill millions upon millions of finfish as well.

The crabber claim that once the pots are fouled with marine growth that nothing will enter them, therefore they are innocuous. The VIMS study clearly revealed this was definitely not the case. Large numbers of small to mid-size flounder, striped bass, white perch, yellow perch, Atlantic croaker, whelk, blue crab, spider crab, Atlantic puffer, and a host of lesser known species were found in the derelict traps.

Crabbers claimed while they lost approximately 30 percent of their pots every season, they didn't really pose a threat to the environment and that they would rot away in just a few months. Turns out that most of the newer crab pots are constructed of wire that is coated to prevent corrosion and rust. The VIMS study says these traps can last up to 10 years in the bay's marine environment, and maybe longer, thus compounding the problem.

At one time, VIMS and MD DNR put a bounty on derelict crab pots of $1 for each one retrieved. If my memory serves me correctly, a couple guys with grappling hooks picked up more than 4-thousand at the mouth of the Patuxent River alone. And, it only took them a couple days to do this. Both agencies have since removed the bounty program, claiming they ran out of funds.

Just another fun day in Paradise,

Gary
Wow! If they put that bounty back on the derelict pots I might come up there with a skiff or something and make enough in a week or two to buy a decent sized sailboat, haha. The feds can spend money on almost anything, except things that actually do something to help both the environment and those using it for work and recreation. Too bad they cannot seem to do much that actually helps anyone who wants to work instead of just get paid to lie around and watch TV. Maybe they could make the welfare folks go out and work at that and pay them for it instead of giving them a check for nothing.
07-09-2013 11:48 AM
travlineasy
Re: Crab Pots in Channels, oh My!

My full-keeled Morgan 33 O.I. doesn't snag them at all, but when I was running a 27 Catalina with a fin keel I managed to snag one just about every week. At the end of summer, the entire upper bay above Pooles Island is a minefield of crab pots, especially in depths of 5 to 15 feet, which is most of the area excluding the main channel.

As for the cutters, they work to some extent, but not always. And, they're expensive.

When I was running a 21 Proline powered with a 150 HP Yamaha outboard I wrapped a pot near the mouth of Whitehall Bay. That pot was a derelict and in 4 feet of water with no float attached. The line was floating just beneath the surface when I snagged it on my prop and wrapped the put around my prop and lower unit. The resulting damage set me back $1,600 for a replacement gear case and prop repair.

Keep in mind that according to a study done by VIMS, there are more than 1-million derelict crab pots in Chesapeake Bay. Despite claims to the contrary by commercial crabbers, those derelict pots kill something every day of the week. Not only do they kill crabs, they kill millions upon millions of finfish as well.

The crabber claim that once the pots are fouled with marine growth that nothing will enter them, therefore they are innocuous. The VIMS study clearly revealed this was definitely not the case. Large numbers of small to mid-size flounder, striped bass, white perch, yellow perch, Atlantic croaker, whelk, blue crab, spider crab, Atlantic puffer, and a host of lesser known species were found in the derelict traps.

Crabbers claimed while they lost approximately 30 percent of their pots every season, they didn't really pose a threat to the environment and that they would rot away in just a few months. Turns out that most of the newer crab pots are constructed of wire that is coated to prevent corrosion and rust. The VIMS study says these traps can last up to 10 years in the bay's marine environment, and maybe longer, thus compounding the problem.

At one time, VIMS and MD DNR put a bounty on derelict crab pots of $1 for each one retrieved. If my memory serves me correctly, a couple guys with grappling hooks picked up more than 4-thousand at the mouth of the Patuxent River alone. And, it only took them a couple days to do this. Both agencies have since removed the bounty program, claiming they ran out of funds.

Just another fun day in Paradise,

Gary
07-08-2013 03:32 PM
T37Chef
Re: Crab Pots in Channels, oh My!

I have a soft spot for the commercial crabbers & fisherman I suppose. Its $20, considering the money I pay to enjoy the boat $20 seems insignificant to be honest, at the time it seemed like the right thing to do and I would do the same thing again knowing what I know now.

$20 is like .002% of one "Boat Buck"! LOL
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