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Those new fangled Mantus Anchors..Bought One...Why

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#1 · (Edited)
I'm sure most of you have seen a new name in anchors...Mantus...being mentioned from time to time. I just took delivery on one. Let me give you my impressions of the anchor and tell you why I purchased it.

The Mantus is in many ways similar to a Rocna or Manson Supreme, but there are some notable differences. The anchor is a spade type with a roll bar to assist in making it sit upright as are the others. But the first thing that jumps out at you is that the spade portion is bolted to the shank, not welded as are most other anchors. The second is the pointed end of the spade portion. It appears to be thicker/re-inforced as comparied with the others, and edges of the spade portion have a bevel so that there is an edge to help cut into the ground. Not sure that the others don't also, nor do I know the entry angle differences in the anchors. But Mantus claims their anchor to set quicker than the others and their web site has pictures of their tests (If you go to the website, it seems to work a bit slow, so be patient as you click through the screens...they will eventually appear).

There is more and more testing showing these new generation anchors all set better and hold more than the previous generation anchors such as CRQ, Danforth, Bruce, etc. As more and more testing and real life experience is gained, the case for this is building.

As to the bolted construction, some have expressed concern that it is not as strong as welds. I'm not sure why Mantus uses bolted construction, because welding is probably cheaper. But bolted assembly does something the others don't....it gives you the opportunity to disassemble an anchor and store it compactly below. This is why I bought this particular new generation anchor. It will be my storm anchor if and when I need it. Bolting should not be a concern...bolts are used everywhere. The wheels of your car and the engine are bolted in place, not welded. Mantus uses a total of 6 bolts, 4 to hold shank and spade together, 2 to hold the roll bar. Holes are big enough so that parts come together easily, and when disassembled, there are three relatively flat parts that store well.

Here in NC, the bottom is generally sand or mud, and Danforth is the anchor which you see on all size boats. Larger boats tend to carry two anchors, one of which will be a Danforth and the other is one a "heavier" anchor. In our marina, half the larger boats use the Bruce as that heavier anchor.

My Catalina 320 carries a 33 lb. Bruce as primary on anchor roller, and a 22 Danforth stored in the anchor locker. I don't really anchor out that much, but have been messing with boats in this area for over 40 years. I've always used the Danforth (generally a little oversized) for most of those years, and the Bruce for about 10 years. Both of those anchors set well in our bottom, and only one time have I not been able to get the Danforth to set despite whatever I did. The Bruce has always set, but as I said, I don't anchor that much. But setting and holding is a different thing. While I chose to ride out the hurricanes at the pier (with a spider web of lines), I see the results of these storms. And I hear stories of others cruising who unexpectly encounter a storm and drag. So while I will retain my Danforth and Bruce, I wanted something for storms. I purchased a 35lb. Mantus and it just arrived. I won't attempt to do a lot of tests on it because, as I said, my other anchors also set well. Mainsail and others are doing such testing and have the equipment to do so...it is my understanding that initial results of their testing is good with Mantus. While I stay at the pier (somewhat sheltered in most directions...not SW) in major storms, I can forsee when I might have to elect to anchor out on short notice (such as before Irene, when there was a 36 ft. Carver poorly tied up directly across from me..it was moved just before storm fortunately). Towards that end, I want to have the equipment on board or available for anchoring out. I previous keep a 43 lb. Danforth in storage on shore to be used with the Danforth and Bruce for storms, but I have encounter data that suggests that the holding power of all three would be marginal in a 70-90 kt. hurricane, which is the range we might expect....explains why lots of those other boats anchored out drag ashore. Putting the Mantus in this mix of anchors, will give me assurance that I will stay put, and the major concern is that someone else will drag down on me.

I am always a bit nervous about ordering things that I have not seen. The Mantus looks good and I am pleased with it. Of course, it is galvanized. The spade portion on the 35 lb. version is abut 3/8" thick, and shaped in a flat but somewhat gull wing shape. The spade portion is ~19" long, and ~21" wide, including about 2.5" ears on each side to hold the roll bar. The roll bar is 3/4" tube, bolted to the spade at either end with two 1/2" bolts. All bolts are galvanized with lock washers to prevent nuts from working loose. The shank portion is 1/2" thick, and fairly deep. It is considerable larger than the shank on the 43 lb. Danforth, so it should be more than adequate. The shank portion is 30" long, 9" high, and ~3" wide (base for bolts welded on). Four bolts hold the shank and spade together. It assembles fairly quickly, but obviously, you wouldn't be likely able to do so once you start dragging because of the time element. But generally, you know when you are going to encounter a serious storm, so there is time (only a couple of minutes are needed). If when anchored out (normal conditions), I will first use the Bruce, but if the conditions are such that I need to place a second anchor, I will use the Mantus in combination with the Bruce. The Danforth is then still ready to be deployed if those two don't hold). In time, I might place the Mantus on the anchor roller...it's size will fit fine, but the Bruce doesn't store as well below.

If one is going the use the Mantus as a primary anchor, the bolted construction becomes insignificant and either welded or bolted is ok. And there is a logic to place your best anchor where it is deployed first...but in my case, I think of the Bruce as my lunch anchor (have a windlass to help). Also, if it is to be one of your primary anchors, your selection choice will be influenced by other factors possibly....especially the bottom, where my existing anchors work well.

Delivery from Mantus was quick. They ship in a wood box (corregated top, and nylon strapping in two places). My anchor had a rough trip from Texas to NC, and all of the three major parts, which were held in place initially with small nylon wire ties, shifted breaking the ties, but no damage was done. Mantus might want to look at using stronger ties in the future, but this is a minor thing. After all, these are disposable shipping wrappings.

I am happy so far. It looks good.
 
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#2 ·
Thank you for the post!

I have a genuine Chinese made Rocna 15 on my O'day 35, and I plan on keeping it. It does what it was designed to do, fits the bow roller, and hasn't let me down.

The Rocna also has a beveled edge, and I believe that the Manson has a "chisel-tip" - a tip that protrudes from the front edge of the anchor to better dig in to packed bottom.

Keep us posted on you likes / dislikes. I cannot imagine that disassembling the Mantus is a quick, or easy task...
 
#11 · (Edited)
I cannot imagine that disassembling the Mantus is a quick, or easy task...
4 minutes, 22 seconds to disassemble the Mantus anchor with two wrenches.

I carried the new Mantus 35 lbs. anchor to the boat yesterday for disassembly and storage. Placed two hatch boards on floor of cockpit to protect the fiberglass against scaring. No damage to wood hatch boards either. Worked at a normal rate to disassemble the anchor and I expect that reassembly will take approximately the same time. The disassembled anchor stored well and compactly in the cockpit storage locker. In putting the package back together I will have to allow a couple of minutes to get the three anchor parts out, the chain, and 5/8" rode. Also a minute or two to shackle chain to nylon rode and to anchor. In my case, where the bow area is occupied with two other anchors, I plan to use the boom (as a cargo boom) to deploy/recover the anchor: Connect mainsail halyard to boom for support, connect a block & tackle with a Johnson Grab and Go hook to boom, connect anchor to hook and swing over the side, well clear of hull. For recovery, use anchor windlass forward to recover rode, use boat to break out the anchor and transfer anchor with appropriate line back to where I can hoist anchor into cockpit with boom as above. Cockpit is a good place to disassemble the anchor as it has room and is next to storage locker. Sounds complicated, but it is not and I already have all those other items that I mentioned. Because there is some slight possibility that a washer, bolt, or nut might get lost, I bought a couple of extras from Lowes to have available if needed. I think it's going to do what I want. If you are keeping such an anchor forward as one of your primary anchors, of course you don't have to do the above.

Two other comments:

The anchor being heavy with a relatively sharp point (so that it will dig into bottom) could damage the fiberglass hull if it were to hit, so in using it, one will have to be careful in that regard.

Now, while it will fits my bow roller in place of the 33 lb. Bruce, I have to admit that the Bruce looks better up there. But anchoring well is the objective in this case, and the new generation anchors do this better based on most testing. The appearance issue would be the same if it were a Rocna or Manson.
 
#4 · (Edited)
I don't remember the numbers exactly. As I recall, Manson was in same range, Rocna was higher, and Fortress was higher. 35lb. Mantus is listed on their website at $330. Also, they had a post in the recent thread about "new generation anchor" wherein they had a limited time special, but not sure if that has timed out. As I explained above, I wanted one that I could store on board readily, and only two fit that: Fortress, Mantus. I understand that there is a Spade that disassembles too, but I didn't check that one out. Fortress, while requiring only 2 bolts to assemble and being lighter due to aluminum construction, is really a refined Danforth design. Knowing always what bottom is there is not possible, so in my mix of anchors, the Mantus gave me one of the new spade types so that my mix covered more bottom possibilities.
 
#5 ·
Anchoring in storms?

Hey,

So if I understand this, you bought an anchor so that if a storm (big storm) is going to hit, you will move your boat from the dock to somewhere else, where you will deploy your anchor (or anchors) and ride the storm out on the boat?

Personally, I would much rather leave my boat at my home port, prepare the boat as best I could (remove sails, extra lines, etc.) and then go home.

No way would I choose to be on my boat in a hurricane if I had any other options

Barry
 
#6 · (Edited)
Re: Anchoring in storms?

Hey,

So if I understand this, you bought an anchor so that if a storm (big storm) is going to hit, you will move your boat from the dock to somewhere else, where you will deploy your anchor (or anchors) and ride the storm out on the boat?
No. I will not stay on boat in a hurricane. The boat is prepared for the storm in advance. First choice is to stay at pier. I have three choices: stay at pier, anchor out, haul out. In every storm, each of these methods fail about equally. The marina is sheltered fairly well except to the southwest. 26 lines, to 11 pilings, everything redundant, in advance of storm, then go home. When that wind hits, especially from SW, it gets so rough in there, that it would be nuts to try to even board the boat. But if, as leading up to Irene, there is a large boat improperly tied up next to me, I'm not going to keep my boat there and let him crash down on us, especially when he has a record of damage in such storms. At that point, before the storm, the boat will be anchored out. A better place would be in a hurricane hole (creek here), but I draw too much to get into most of those, so the option is going to be on the river in fairly open water. I have an inflatable dinghy with 15 hp. engine to get to/from boat. Hauling out is not good, because the boat yards are low and are going to flood in the 9 ft. surge that we typically get. (Tying up to accommodate 9 ft. up and 5 ft. down while staying in confines of slip so boat isn't speared by a piling is tricky also, but I've got that more or less worked out over many storms.)

It is only a boat. I will not risk my life trying to ride out a hurricane.

But there is a second type of storm, not as big, as when a front comes through and you are anchored out. Since if I'm in this second type, I'm likely away from a marina and I would stay aboard then.
 
#7 ·
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#19 ·
Hugosalt,

No, I haven't used mine...actually haven't anchored out since I bought it. In my case, I primarily wanted that anchor to use in combination with my other anchors in the event I have to anchor out in a named storm. My calculations, based on all information that I could find, was that without the Mantus in the mix, I couldn't expect to hold in a really severe storm. With the Mantus included, I believe I can handle whatever comes my way. If I had a storm anchor that didn't disassemble, I would have to leave it in an on-shore storage, and that didn't seem just right. Mainesail recently posted in a thread that his (I think it was 35 lb., maybe 45 lb.) Mantus held in one of his test pulls to 4500 lbs., where he terminated the test to protect the test boat.
 
#16 ·
I too bought one to take as a spare as I have a 20kg New Zealand Rocna on the bow already. Construction looks robust. To me very sim ilar to the Rocna and Manson so I would expect it to hold as well, not betterm but as well which would be great. I have found that the Rocna does much better in sand and mud than the Danforth I had and I amore confident it would reset if it had to I will be taking it on our trips offshore. It will also fit easily in our huge anchor locker.

To solve the pounted tip I took an old tennis ball and slitted it and pull it over it so it wouldnt damage anything.
 
#17 ·
Does anyone have any experience with using a Mantus as a storm anchor? I've been planning to purchase a large Fortress (probably a FX-37, but possible a FX-55), but am now considering a large Mantus (probably the 85lb).

I like the new spade-style anchors (my bower is a 55lb Rocna), for their holding power, their ease of setting, and their versatility. I used to routinely switch between a danforth and a CQR, depending on bottom conditions. The Rocna seems to handle it all fairly well.

I expect the Mantus will be similar, hence my interest. That said, the Fortress I am looking at will generate more holding power, and will be lighter.

Experiences?
 
#18 ·
Some more customers feed back

Just to let you know that the Mantus 8/9 pound anchor is doing great on my Bahamas cruise. Since l sailed over here in my 12 foot boat, I could only carry one anchor and I'm glad I choose your product. As advertised it sets quickly and holds well in many bottom types. Of course the little boat gets a lot of attention and people also ask about my ground tackle which I'm happy to show them since I'm often in the shallows or dried out in the flats. Well keep up the good work.

Dave Bolduc
Exumas, Bahamas
 
#21 ·
Some more customers feed back

Just to let you know that the Mantus 8/9 pound anchor is doing great on my Bahamas cruise. Since l sailed over here in my 12 foot boat, I could only carry one anchor and I'm glad I choose your product. As advertised it sets quickly and holds well in many bottom types. Of course the little boat gets a lot of attention and people also ask about my ground tackle which I'm happy to show them since I'm often in the shallows or dried out in the flats.
What kind of boat is that?
 
#25 ·
MikeOReilly: I use my FX-37, on the mud setting, as my storm anchor and it has never failed. But that is when I anchor in our local very soft mud in the creeks off of the Neuse River. I have used a 15 kg Bruce type, a 15kg Rocna and a 35# Manson. All preformed well in squalls, T-storms and Tropical storm conditions in a variety of bottoms from the Chesapeake to the Keys. So to me it all depends on the bottom. My Manson is the first thing in and the Bruce is second unless I KNOW I am over very soft mud then the FX is my first choice. Dan S/V Marian Claire
 
#28 · (Edited)
Thanks marianclaire, good to know. Our boat is probably a bit bigger than yours (37-ft/28,000#) so I'm still leaning towards a FX-37 or 55 as a storm anchor. As you say, these anchors would only be useful in soft bottoms (clay, mud, sand). Our bower is a 25 kg Rocna, and so far it has proven itself in a number of nasty blows. We also carry a large danforth and a 15 kg bruce as our stern/kedge.

I'm still toying with the idea of a Mantus as well. I expect they will perform as well as similar types (rocna, manson, etc.). My hesitation with the Mantus option is whether it I will actually use it. If I get it big enough to act as a storm anchor, we're talking likely 85lbs. That's not the kind of thing that will be used easily. The big Fortresses will be difficult as well, but certainly lighter for theoretically higher holding power (assuming appropriate bottom/set).
 
#29 ·
I do enjoy these anchoring threads.
I love our Spade anchor, sticks quick, holds and resets easy. I have been debating which storm anchor to get. I like the concept of the Fortress but longer term we are not likely to encounter much mud situations. I have actually been leaning towards an up-sized aluminum Spade. It disassembles like the Mantus, one bolt and is light and easy to store and deploy.
 
#32 ·
More feed back on the Mantus from our customers:
I have been living on my Pacific Seacraft Orion 27 since Nov. 2011 I started from Cambride, MD , spent the first winter in Farendena, FL. Went back north as far as Washington,NC. proceeded south to Southport NC. I left Southport June 22 2012 arrived at Clearlake TX August 25 2012 and was hit by a Searay speed boat 2 hours after arriving. I have lived on the hook all but 9 days of that time. I have a Rocna 10 kilo and a Rocna 15 kilo that is presently my primary anchor, I have been very happy with them up to this point. We were having easterly wind of sustained 15 to 20 knots with gusts of up to 35 knots. When I noticed that I was draging down wind at a very slow rate of under 1 knot. My primary has never done that with all the varied bottoms that I encountered traveling the ICW from Southport around the Keys to Clearlake. I pulled the anchor and noticed that it hadn't completely burried itself having the rollbar showing the upper third clean of mud. I have an all chain rode of 5/16 " g4 and always set my anchor by backing down at 2300 rpms on the 2Qm15 Yanmar engine that is in Thalassa. I have been doing my own tests with a Mantus 8lb that I purchased at Boaters resale. I do admit that my testing is a little ruthless but I have no time in my life for fabicated truth. I have had the Mantus taking all the strain for the past 2 weeks on Clearlake with 12 feet of 1/4 chain and 3/8" rode of about 15 meters. I have reset the anchor every other day from my dinghy, and am very pleased with the holding as well as the retrieval. It sets quickly, holds fast and can be retrieved with the dinghy. It has come to the surface with no mud clogged on the fluke but once, and that time there was only about 20% of the fluke covered, witch was easily cleared with a few dunks in the water. The performance has been as good or better than my 16.5 lb claw anchor that I have to retrieve with Thaalassa, not being able to pull it out of the bottom with the dinghy.

This customer, later contacted me and bought two anchors, one as primary and one as a spare...
 
#34 ·
Did a google search of the site "spade" site:sailnet.com and saw a MaineSail posting where he said the Aluminum Spade sucks, although he does like the steel version. Hmmm, certainly not going to get the Aluminum Spade now. Back to square one on storm anchor selection.
 
#35 ·
Some more feed back on our "BABY"

John Young
7:35 PM (14 hours ago)

to me
Hi Greg,
We are in Georgetown Bahamas and headed for the Turks and Caicos tomorrow, just wanted to update that we LOVE THE ANCHOR and have named it Monte! Monte digs in hard every time we stop. We have not dragged once since we left Key west over a month ago and have anchored out all but about 5 days in some pretty tough conditions including a sleepless night at Allen Cay in the Exumas when the wind shifted from E to W and we knew Monte could not hold but he did.. We did have one instance where I let the chain out to fast and it got wrapped around the shank of the anchor and it never set but that was my fault! Anyway the Anchor, the Combo tool, the Chain hook and the bottle opener are all working perfectly for us.

Thanks for the great product,

John Young
S/V Jacasso
Sailing Jacasso
 
#37 ·
Check out what's gracing the bow of our beautiful new boat!



Is that thing gorgeous or what?!?!?

I bought it through the Sailnet store, of course. Flawless experience. And since Mantus is located pretty near our marina, I just arranged for pick-up instead of shipping. Sailnet made that happen without a fuss.

BUT, I just couldn't seem to get free when Mantus was open. So what did Greg K. do? He put the thing together for me and dropped it off at my boat!

Killer anchor - even more killer customer service. I'm a die-hard Mantus Dude now.
 
#42 ·
Guys we are in Mexico, making anchor comparison videos!!!!
Gotta love owning your own business...

Wife: Honey... I want to take a vacation to Mexico.
SBO: Sounds great... I'll bring an anchor, shoot some anchor test videos, and we can write the whole trip expense off as a business expense.

IRS: Sir, we are questioning your deduction for your Mexico trip.
SBO: We just couldn't reproduce the holding grounds of our customer base without going to where they sail.

Tony
 
#45 ·
I'd suggest you come to Thailand with a few samples, A 45 pounder would be a good size for extensive mud testing here. I know just the boat you could use....
 
#43 · (Edited)
Hi Folks~
I bought a 45 lb. Mantus and have used it as my primary anchor. We bought it in December but didn't actually get to put it to the test until this past month. We did a portion of the ICW from Georgia to Norfolk and anchored out most of the nights. Let me tell you something, this anchor set EVERY, SINGLE TIME! Fast and deep. In Georgia and South Carolina we saw currents over 4 knots at some points. We had reversing currents with opposing wind and at one point we had to anchor in Whiteside Creek off of Dewey's Inlet due to some serious weather building. Whiteside is not protected by anything other than a small bluff with trees on it. The wind built to 25 knots fast and there wasn't too much room for error due to the grass sticking up out of the water on either side of the small creek. It was the only time I "worried" about the anchor setting and holding. I tell you, we didn't have a single issue. It set and held all night long.

I met Greg and Deneen at the boat show in Ft. Lauderdale and their anchor looked really impressive. I had been using an old CQR which came with the boat and I wanted a Rocna / Manson type anchor. To be honest I got tired of reading all the crap on the forums about "who did what to whom" between those companies and Mantus was making great deals so we took a chance. I liked that it wasn't cast steel. I liked that you could break it down and get it off the bow when off-shore. I originally posted here that I had concerns about he SS bolts and crevice corrosion. But I was wrong... the bolts are Grade 2 Carbon. Sorry bout that. The strength of the bolts doesn't concern me. When you see the thing, you'll understand why.

My wife and I live full-time and travel on our 35 ft. Cal sailboat. We bought the 45 lb anchor and I can say, the only thing I hate about this anchor is pulling it up in the morning. If you're looking for a roll-bar type anchor, you should definitely put them on your list.

Chris D.
s/v Vacilando
 
#44 ·
Hi Folks~
I bought a 45 lb. Mantus and have used it as my primary anchor. We bought it in December but didn't actually get to put it to the test until this past month. We did a portion of the ICW from Georgia to Norfolk and anchored out most of the nights. Let me tell you something, this anchor set EVERY, SINGLE TIME! Fast and deep. In Georgia and South Carolina we saw currents over 4 knots at some points. We had reversing currents with opposing wind and at one point we had to anchor in Whiteside Creek off of Dewey's Inlet due to some serious weather building. Whiteside is not protected by anything other than a small bluff with trees on it. The wind built to 25 knots fast and there wasn't too much room for error due to the grass sticking up out of the water on either side of the small creek. It was the only time I "worried" about the anchor setting and holding. I tell you, we didn't have a single issue. It set and held all night long.

I met Greg and Deneen at the boat show in Ft. Lauderdale and their anchor looked really impressive. I had been using an old CQR which came with the boat and I wanted a Rocna / Manson type anchor. To be honest I got tired of reading all the crap on the forums about "who did what to whom" between those companies and Mantus was making great deals so we took a chance. I liked that it wasn't cast steel. I liked that you could break it down and get it off the bow when off-shore. I had some concerns about the crevice corrosion issue with the ss bolts but the anchor works so well... I might just replace the bolts every few years as a maintenance issue. The strength of the bolts doesn't concern me. When you see the thing, you'll understand why.

My wife and I live full-time and travel on our 35 ft. Cal sailboat. We bought the 45 lb anchor and I can say, the only thing I hate about this anchor is pulling it up in the morning. If you're looking for a roll-bar type anchor, you should definitely put them on your list.

Chris D.
s/v Vacilando
Booyah! Go the Mantus!
 
#47 ·
Bought a 35# Mantus after seeing them at the St Petersburg boat show. Greg the owner was very helpful. I didn't want to lug it around the show and pack it up to bring home to NC, so Greg made me a great shipping offer.

I use it on my Seidelmann 37, and it holds much better than the Bruce I was using. Best test was during a trip to Bath NC in Oct 2013. We came in at dark with a severe thunderstorm. Got anchored out in the middle of the creek with 30 - 35 knot winds for a few hours, and stronger gusts on occasion. When the sun came up, we were exactly where we dropped, and man had that anchor dug in! It took some effort to pop it loose, but it earned my confidence in it's ability to hold.

I did suffer some damage to my furler housing somewhere on that cruise from the anchor shaft hitting it. I'm sure this could have been avoided if I had been better aware of the flip angle.

As far as the bolts, I asked Greg about that at the show. He pointed out that the bolts were larger and stronger than any link on the chain. Made sense to me.
 
#48 ·
....As far as the bolts, I asked Greg about that at the show. He pointed out that the bolts were larger and stronger than any link on the chain. Made sense to me.
Good sales answer, but links on the chain can't loosen.

I'm sure the bolts are just fine on the Mantus and I'm not suggesting a big risk they will loosen. However, I find the thing rather unpleasant to look at and the bolts make it worse. All the next-gens are ugly, but the Rocna seems the least offensive. Maybe I'm even getting used to it.

I think Mantus' primary advantage is being stowed away as a spare. That's a great idea.

I will say that I find their superior self-testing against the other next-gens to be highly suspicious. That causes me some pause.
 
#50 ·
I would love to have a new generation anchor but one thing that holds me back is the shaft thickness issue. Having no swivel, like the CQR to "bend" around on a tide change, I see the potential for very high twisting loads on the shaft, especially when trying to pop the anchor. I've seen pix of these types of anchors with badly twisted shafts. I just have questions about the grade of steel and thickness of the shafts.
 
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