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Bob Perry's take on Wolfenzee's dream boat

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#1 · (Edited)
In the "Modern Hull forms and Motion Comfort" thread,

Post # 142, Wolfenzee said to Bob Perry " BOB: take a close look at the lines of my boat and tell me could a fin keel have been designed in relatively easily http://atkinboatplans.com/Sail/images/CaptainCicero-3.gif
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And in Post #152 and #153 Bob Perry Responded:
(#152)"Damn it Wolfer!
You made me think.
I hate it when that happens.

Sure I could do your boat with a fin keel and a nice skeg hung rudder or better yet a spade rudder.

It would look just like your boat....above the water. Under the water you would not recognize it. I would have to shave away all that deadrise and reduce displ while carving away some volume forward and reducing some hollows aft.

But in the end you and me would love it. It would be a WOLF in sheep's clothing like NIGHT RUNNER."


(#153) "Wolfy:
Next Wednesday post your hull lines again and a photo or two of your boat.
When I start thinking about a new boat I need to see it and I think it would be fun for all of us to see what your boat would look like with a more modern hull combined with that traditional Atkin look.

I have to do this to get it off my mind. I'm built like that.

Or, Jeff could do it. I know he could.
Or, Jeff and I could do it together.
He'd do the hard work and I'd do the pointing and gesturing.

Either way let's see if we can produce a boat that will get your juices flowing."


And I am bowled over by that.

As a SailNet Moderator, I can only thank Bob Perry for that generous offer to come up with a design that explores Wolf's question. That is a true gift to this forum. Normal folk rarely get to see a custom design process and so this should prove interesting.

And I am truly honored that you would be willing to do this with me. I truly appreciate Bob's willingness to give that a try.

This is a thread for that process. I am excited to see where this ends up....

Jeff
 
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#1,012 ·
I reckon Winston's 15 days from BC tro Hawaiii is reasonable for a heavily loaded 36, as is Andy's 14 days. When Pearl Song left Cabo, she covered 1106 miles in 6 days hard on the wind, then broke the top 1/3rd of his wooden mast off, and still beat a gazelle to Hawai under jury rig,which had left the same time as him. When Quadra Island barber Mike Louckes cruised in company with a benteau, he was always arriving long before the benny, despite being very heavily loaded. When the first 2 -36 foters I built went out on race day in San diego, they left some of the race boats far behind, despite being heavily loaded. You could tell which was the skipper . He was the only one without a smirk on his face.
Again Bob . Could you tell us of all the offshore cruising you had done before calling yourself a designer? We are still waiting.
Could you tell us why, with so many super cheap and sound fg sailboats on the market, and even being given away, why someone would pay you decades worth of cruising funds, just to to draw pictures of one?
 
#1,015 · (Edited)
Again Bob . Could you tell us...blah, blah, blah...

We are still waiting.

Could you tell us why, with so many super cheap and sound fg sailboats on the market, and even being given away, why someone would pay you decades worth of cruising funds, just to to draw pictures of one?
"Us"? "We"? Actually, it's just you, Brent. Sadly.

Everyone else already knows.

You're really not very good at this.
 
#1,016 · (Edited)
On August 16th we will assemble a fleet of boats in Port Ludlow for the Perry Rendezvous.
This started years ago with a dozen boats. Fore the last 15 years we had had a fleet of around 45 to 50 boats at the Rendezvous. Some boat owners fly in for the get together. So,me Perry boat owners drive in for the Rendezvous. But by Saturday night we have a big fleet and a bunch of very happy boat owners all gathered for a party.

50 boats Brent. And, that's just the local PNW owners.

There will be Islander 28's with six people crammed aboard. Maybe ICON will be there at 63' LOA and a crew of four. But we will have a very wide variety of boats with owners all enjoying their boats. I even have owners of non Perry boats come. I even have powerboats come. If you want to come to a great party then you are invited. I just like boats.

Of course it is a huge ego boost for me. I don't deny that. During the weekend I will meet many of my boat owners who think I did a pretty darn good job on their boat. They are happy. When they are happy, I am happy. I could strut around but I'm not a strutter. I try to do a bit of a strut. I'm just not good at it. I let my dog strut.

Let me go over that again. these boat owners are happy. That is exactly why they come to the Rendezvous.

I just soak it in and get ready to play in the band after the big, Saturday night dinner.

I could be wrong. Maybe they are all scared. Maybe they are terrified. But it seems to me that if they weren't very happy they would not bother coming to the Rendezvous. And, this includes the very happy Reliance 37 owner.

It's a very good weekend for me. I enjoy meeting with happy owners of the boats I have designed. I stand on the dock and I think, "Damn it Bob, look at all the people you made happy." That is very, very humbling. But it is true. My first reaction to the assembled fleet is always one of humilty, deep humility. " Can I really have done this?"

This is REALITY.
This happens every year.
Come Brent, see for yourself. But don't bing bitter, angry Brent. He would not do so good at the party.

This is my world and,,,,,I like it. I really like it.
Yacht design has been very good to me.
Now, how do you think your silly words would ever be able to change reality?
 
#1,019 ·
Bob,

We really enjoyed the Perry Rendezvous in Port Ludlow in 98. Great to meet you and the really, really happy Bob Perry designed yacht owners. As I remember it, Gumbo Ya Ya and you did a great gig together. Wonderful to hear all the other cruisers stories of sailing the Pacific which helped us to get out to sea in 99. Would I go with steel now? hell no! don't think anybody else would either...
 
#1,018 ·
amazing what sheet pops up in 4 days on my lowly FG boat.....designed by some charactor "Castro" "tony" as a first name.....well any way. The perry meet up sounds good, but will be doing a booby sail that day, ie a BC fun raiser in seattle, follow the amoretto link to donate. mainsail is getting painted pink, will put anyones name that maney is donated to the cause.............Maybe smacky will show up in his Hunter for the perry roundezvous?!?!?!?

Should hit the sack, sitting in oak harbor enjoying the waves lapping on the boat hull. Still have not figure out how heavy an 8' pram in steel would weigh? probably way more, or is the weigh more than the wood one I built as a teen!

Any way, Mr winston is snooring away in the vee berth, suppose I should do the same......

Marty
 
#1,021 ·
What a great looking cutter! That's more like it.
I'd like to see this thread continue as a place where we celebrate diversity in design and the diversity in which we all enjoy sailing. This "right" and "wrong" stuff is tiresome. I'll take a good share of the blame for that climate here. But now maybe we can get it back on track. I will endeavor to behave in the future.

There's a thread on CA called "Cool boats" where we post pics of boats we admire. Then we have discussions about the features of the boats. The boats range from 8' prams to mega yachts. It's fun and educational and there is no end to cool boats out there.
 
#1,022 ·
Altho Paulo's stuck thread on the top, is based on NEW boats, his interesting boat thread is still fun to look at when one is thinking about boats of different types, what they are designed for etc.

Reality is, there is no best hull material, as is there is no best hull design per say. Only what may or hopefully is the best for how you are going to use your boat!

Marty
 
#1,028 ·
My sister has the original framed at her house.Spent my childhood and teen summers on that boat.The most memorable day I ever had sailing was on her.It was from Cape Porpoise Me to Cohassert MA, about 75 nm.We made it in a little less then 10 hours.Long surfs on 10' waves with just a working jib up.A great off the wind boat.She could pound going to weather though.
 
#1,029 ·
Bob
I've built 38 most of them here, Evan has built about the same number, Ken has done more than half a dozen, Suzie bulit two, thats more than 50 locally, many are offshore at the moment. They just dont stay put.
 
#1,030 ·
Bob
I've built 38 most of them here, Evan has built about the same number, Ken has done more than half a dozen, Suzie built two, thats more than 50 locally, many are offshore at the moment. They just dont stay put.
 
#1,032 ·
Great Brent. That's good. 50 boats, that's something to be very proud of. Good for you.
They built 600 Islander 28's, 500 Freeport 36's and I'll stop there. Oh, no, wait, 600 Tayana 37's. I won't bore you with more numbers but I have lots of them.

101 Ct 54's. Sorry, just had to throw that one in. It was my very first grp design.
Probably not a good idea to play a numbers game with me. You admit you are challenged by numbers. But I do not think it's about numbers. It's about excellence in design and lasting value.
 
#1,033 ·
Hey, Bob - c'mon, you said you were going to go easy on the guy!.

Seriously, don't sweat it. We know your skills and we know Brent's skills and you're both recognised yacht designers with (mostly) completely different approaches, ideas and opinions. There's nothing wrong with that. :)

How about we get back to the topic at hand... what was it again? Oh, that's right.. ;)
 
#1,034 ·
Hart:
as an old Ashfield boy that's about as easy as I get.

I congratulate Brenton his success. As you said, we work in totally different areas. I see no reason for anyone to, I know the word, I just can't spell it, dimean? demean? damien? derneighn? ok put down my group of sailors.

If somone buys one of my boats and sails it every weekend with an occasional cruise for two weelk arond thr PNW. Who am I to tell him he is not a "real sailor"?
 
#1,037 ·
I wonder if wolf would like THIS yacht! or any of us might like invictus. steel hull, composite superstructure! Not sure Brent has this ability to design a really nice steel boat like that one! not that I want a power boat........wife saw it off of Edmonds a few weeks back, described it to me, I thought "Invictus" Took a pic the next time I was in the Delta yard.......sent it to her............

Marty
 
#1,038 · (Edited)
Jeff_H and Bob did you do more of the interior, or did I miss that in all the excitement? I'd really like to see a discussion of that, as well as some of the good (and strange) ideas designers/builders/owners has come up with over the years, and not least Your take on this.

Looking forward to it!

/Joms
 
#1,042 ·
Bob. I was on a passport 47 last nite. Nice boat. Roomy side decks, and practical deck layout. He bought it for less than the cost of her last recent upgrade, making the basic boat free.
With deals like that around, are you retired yet? The skipper, seeing how the bottom has fallen out of the stock boat market ,didnt believe anyone was still paying for new designs .

This reminds me of the email Clive sent me called " A retirees job interview"

What do you consider your greatest weakness?
Honesty.
I dont think honesty is a weakness.
I dont give a s**t what you think.
 
#1,045 ·
BS:
I have four nice new designs going now. One being built at PSC in N. Carolina and well documented here, one in Hadlock, WA and very well documented here, one for a Norwegian client, documented here, with plans out for bid and one for a Seattle client which he will build himself So, no, I am not retired, just taking it easy and doing the work I enjoy.

If you want verification of the design projects I can provide very current photos but many have already been posted on SailNet.

You have yet to proivide any evidence that I lied. I need the actual quote not more made up BS from BS.

And, if you don't give a s%^t what I think why do you react so predictably to what I think?
 
#1,049 ·
Kind of off topic but still water tight is water tight not over flow. If I broach and roll 360 I expect a water tight bulkhead to hold the water in that water tight compartment not let it spill out over or under depending on what is up the keel or the mast. It will be unlikely for me to do in the puddle I sail in. So many things must add up to make final outcome the bulkheads were only a small figure but they added to the danger.
Regards , Lou
 
#1,050 ·
Absolutely right - Titanic didn't have watertight bulkheads, it had the hull divided into a series of open topped tanks. Once the ship was nose down enough for the front tank top to be below water it was all over - they just spilled sequentially over the top.
 
#1,053 ·
If that's your definition of 'watertight bulkhead', very few vessels outside of the Navy have them - certainly not passenger liners of any era including the present - to the extent that would keep you happy.

Anyways, the design of modern passenger liners is a complex beastie and the current SOLAS Regulations cover all of this more than adequately.

..and besides I, for one, don't really see what this has to do with the design of Wolf's boat, so we return you to the discussion at hand... :rolleyes:
 
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