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07-12-2013 11:20 PM
domromer
Re: New sailing j-22 to a Hobie wave

Sounds like I'm on the right track. Thanks for all the feedback.

Dom
07-12-2013 08:53 PM
overbored
Re: New sailing j-22 to a Hobie wave

Not a genoa but but it would do for me. these are a blast
07-12-2013 06:20 PM
SHNOOL
Re: New sailing j-22 to a Hobie wave

All I could find is a jib...
07-12-2013 02:24 PM
overbored
Re: New sailing j-22 to a Hobie wave

Quote:
Originally Posted by SHNOOL View Post
I'd add you might want to at least add a genoa to that wave (something just more than a lapper) to get a feel for the dynamics of adjusting trim for the slot, if you want the Wave to keep teaching (plus it'll add even more speed to it!).
I would like to see a genoa on a Hobie Wave
07-12-2013 02:19 PM
SHNOOL
Re: New sailing j-22 to a Hobie wave

I'd add you might want to at least add a genoa to that wave (something just more than a lapper) to get a feel for the dynamics of adjusting trim for the slot, if you want the Wave to keep teaching (plus it'll add even more speed to it!).
07-12-2013 12:57 PM
TJC45
Re: New sailing j-22 to a Hobie wave

Your experience sailing the Hobie is fully transferable to larger more complex boats. That the hobie is tougher to tack and that it doesn't have a jib will, if anything, make you a better sailor.

The fact that you are sailing a small highly responsive boat will make you a better sailor. You can see the effects of wind current waves etc on the boat. You get instant feedback to any input. That is something that doesn't happen on a larger boat.

The number of hulls has nothing to do with the actual learning to sail part of the program. When you transition to a monohull you will find it only a matter of learning that particular boat's characteristics. But the basics of sailing are the same, set course trim the sails and off you go.

BTW, there have been some grueling long distance catamaran races. The Worrel 1000 and Hog's Breath come to mind. Over 1000 miles of ocean racing. Not say you want to race in the ocean for days - only to say that your little Wave can take you places. You can learn to navigate and sail it all around the Gulf. I know that's not the goal, but just so you know, the boat is up to it.
07-12-2013 03:48 AM
overbored
Re: New sailing j-22 to a Hobie wave

after you master any small dingy you will find almost any cruising boat easy to sail. but when it comes to docking you will have a bit more to learn. the saiing part is the easiest part of the cruising boat
07-11-2013 11:59 PM
domromer
Re: New sailing j-22 to a Hobie wave

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Originally Posted by TJC45 View Post
No disrepect meant here, but I gotta take exception to this. Hobies ARE real boats. They are more challenging to sail than the average monohull boat and require some extra skill set developement to sail efficiently. Once these skills are learned the boat is like any other boat, handling it comes naturally.

Besides being a blast to sail, Hobies are excellent teaching platforms. Take the H16 - While every H16 is identical, these boats are extremely adjustable. outhaul, downhaul, batten tension, jib tension, traveler, and mast rake all come into the tuning picture when setting the boat up for current conditions. Adding a full set of telltales lets student sailors see the effects of every adjustment and every input. Along with having alot of fun students who learn on Hobies, because they are more challenging, can step onto any monohull and sail it.

And again, no disrepect but I also disagree with these boats being awfull to sail upwind. In the right hands Hobies go to wind without issue. In many cases we can out point monohulls depending on conditions. And regardless, we will always beat them around the cans.
This response sorta leads into my next question. Beyond just enjoying myself on the water. I do have a goal/dream of getting a boat large enough to go on overnight trips with my wife and explore the gulf. With my budget it going to have to be a monohull. Can I continue using the wave and become a better sailor and have the skills to sail a larger monohull down the road, or should I be sailing more monohual dinghys? I really enjoy sailing the wave as it's so comfortable and easy to sail. But I also want to be moving in the right direction for my eventual goal.

I suppose in the winter I'll be sailing dinghys anyways as the wet ride of the cat won't be that much fun when the water is in the 50s. I just don't want to forget how to use a Jib entirely! Basically is it as easy jump from sailing a cat to a monohual? Do the skills crossover?
07-10-2013 04:00 PM
overbored
Re: New sailing j-22 to a Hobie wave

thanks for that post. well said. I thought it was very interesting when the America's cup guys started to sail the CATs and I watched them make all the typical mistakes sailors make when learning a to sail a Cat.
07-10-2013 03:33 PM
TJC45
Re: New sailing j-22 to a Hobie wave

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Originally Posted by Sal Paradise View Post
My opinion...the sunfish sails more like a real boat. And it will go in the direction you want it to, within reason.

The Hobie is faster downwind or on a reach, but God help you if you have to go against the wind- then they are awful. I can never really get them to tack or go upwind. But they do have more room.
No disrepect meant here, but I gotta take exception to this. Hobies ARE real boats. They are more challenging to sail than the average monohull boat and require some extra skill set developement to sail efficiently. Once these skills are learned the boat is like any other boat, handling it comes naturally.

Besides being a blast to sail, Hobies are excellent teaching platforms. Take the H16 - While every H16 is identical, these boats are extremely adjustable. outhaul, downhaul, batten tension, jib tension, traveler, and mast rake all come into the tuning picture when setting the boat up for current conditions. Adding a full set of telltales lets student sailors see the effects of every adjustment and every input. Along with having alot of fun students who learn on Hobies, because they are more challenging, can step onto any monohull and sail it.

And again, no disrepect but I also disagree with these boats being awfull to sail upwind. In the right hands Hobies go to wind without issue. In many cases we can out point monohulls depending on conditions. And regardless, we will always beat them around the cans.
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