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07-18-2013 06:53 PM
miatapaul
Re: Interesting tale of a captain who abandoned vessel

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Originally Posted by krisscross View Post
I'm sure someone will buy that boat from salvage company to have her fixed up. There seems to be no structural damage to her. Even the dodger is intact.
I wonder if the police would give you that pile of sailboat hardware they did nto know what to do with?!?!
07-18-2013 01:27 PM
krisscross
Re: Interesting tale of a captain who abandoned vessel

I'm sure someone will buy that boat from salvage company to have her fixed up. There seems to be no structural damage to her. Even the dodger is intact.
07-18-2013 12:26 PM
TJC45
Re: Interesting tale of a captain who abandoned vessel

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Originally Posted by JonEisberg View Post
I don't know, "displacing" the integral keel on a boat as stoutly built as a Pearson 365 isn't gonna be easy... If you were gonna choose a boat based solely on its ability to survive an encounter with a sand beach, the underbody of this boat, with the rudder attached to a substantial skeg, would be a pretty good choice...





The rudder still appears to be in decent shape, preparatory to the final tow off...

I'm a bit surprised none of the looters made off with that solar array, that would have been the first thing that might have caught my eye... (grin, bigtime)





Has the boat been towed off or is it still sitting on the beach? Has the owner retained ownership or is the boat salvage?

I agree with Jon, the underbody of this boat is about as good as it gets for this type of situation.

I also agree with Jon, that if i were so inclined to be a looter forget the sneaker collection and hand me a screw driver!!!!!

Interestingly, in the aftermath of Hurricane Sandy boat looters in NJ and NY went for the high end electronics first.
07-18-2013 12:14 PM
JonEisberg
Re: Interesting tale of a captain who abandoned vessel

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Originally Posted by hellosailor View Post

And once a boat has gone aground, probably bent or sheared the rudder, ripped up the propshaft, maybe displaced the keel, the wrecking yard is very much the right place for it. Especially on a high-rent island in prime season.
I don't know, "displacing" the integral keel on a boat as stoutly built as a Pearson 365 isn't gonna be easy... If you were gonna choose a boat based solely on its ability to survive an encounter with a sand beach, the underbody of this boat, with the rudder attached to a substantial skeg, would be a pretty good choice...





The rudder still appears to be in decent shape, preparatory to the final tow off...

I'm a bit surprised none of the looters made off with that solar array, that would have been the first thing that might have caught my eye... (grin, bigtime)





07-18-2013 11:58 AM
JonEisberg
Re: Interesting tale of a captain who abandoned vessel

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Originally Posted by DougSabbag View Post
I am absolutely amazed that Bill was able to transfer his bags of goodies and himself from his boat to the large container ship without any issues, and even had the time to scuttle his boat.

FYI, had I scuttled S/V Triumph in July of 2011 when being rescued by the Kim Jacob, I would not be here now. It turned out that I had to return to Triumph to hang on until the Kim Jacob could relocate me.

Scuttling your vessel can't be done unless you are rock solid sure you will be getting onto / into something else ASAP.
That's a very good point, no question...

Sounds like Skip Allan was pretty confident of his situation, and as Bill Schanen noted, the abandonment of WILDFLOWER was handled in exemplary fashion - both by himself, and the rescuers...

07-18-2013 11:02 AM
hellosailor
Re: Interesting tale of a captain who abandoned vessel

ru, Tanai Aebi is the wrong one to mention in any discussion of sane sailing. In one of her first articles she was quite clear about not knowing how to use the sextant, and figuring it out mainly by the luck of the gods. And that she'd have probably passed Bermuda and run out of food and water and died at sea if not for that LUCK. Her luck held up long enough for her to build experience and skills.

But as boatman points out, a solo sailor, much less a solo newb, ain't gonna get offshore insurance.

And once a boat has gone aground, probably bent or sheared the rudder, ripped up the propshaft, maybe displaced the keel, the wrecking yard is very much the right place for it. Especially on a high-rent island in prime season.

In the US, "government" agencies are usually immune from lawsuit under the principle of sovereign immunity. So whether the local PD, FD, CG, etc. would have had any liability exposure by attempting salvage is questionable. More likely the fact that they FAILED to take any protective action, would get them in court for failure to perform their duty. The only question being whether they have a duty to salvage, or a duty to prevent fouling of the coast by allowing a wreck to go up on it.

"Y'Honoh, we'da liked to salvage the boat, but theys was fresh donuts ready at the KrispyKreme!"
07-18-2013 10:22 AM
DougSabbag
Re: Interesting tale of a captain who abandoned vessel

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Originally Posted by JonEisberg View Post
Huh? it was for Skip Allan, when he abandoned WILDFLOWER...

This is how Bill Schanen put it in SAILING:

The tears are understandable, but this is not a sad story. A boat was lost, but a sailor survived. And unlike so many rescues of yachtsmen in distress, this one put no rescuers’ lives at risk and spent no taxpayers’ money. Nor will Wildflower exact any costs as a derelict menace to shipping. As his final act before leaving her, Skip disconnected the hose from the engine seawater intake, allowing the boat to sink.

If there is such a thing as a class act in abandoning ship, this was it.
I am absolutely amazed that Bill was able to transfer his bags of goodies and himself from his boat to the large container ship without any issues, and even had the time to scuttle his boat.

FYI, had I scuttled S/V Triumph in July of 2011 when being rescued by the Kim Jacob, I would not be here now. It turned out that I had to return to Triumph to hang on until the Kim Jacob could relocate me.

Scuttling your vessel can't be done unless you are rock solid sure you will be getting onto / into something else ASAP.
07-18-2013 10:15 AM
outbound
Re: Interesting tale of a captain who abandoned vessel

Got to agree with Jon. Think people in this circle may actually be more fit than in the past and believe no one can say this gentleman lacked for courage. Think he abandoned the boat because he was well beyond his comfort zone and did not have the knowledge base nor equipment to deal with the situation. Believe Jon is absolutely right these attributes are gained as one incrementally increases your experience resulting in an appropriately outfitted boat crewed well
07-18-2013 10:00 AM
JonEisberg
Re: Interesting tale of a captain who abandoned vessel

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Originally Posted by az_r2d1 View Post
The times when men were steel and boats were wood are long gone.
Now boats are plastic and men are... not men.
Sounds a bit harsh to me, and I doubt that's particularly applicable in this instance... Any man in his late 60's who is running in ultra-Marathon races sounds tougher than most, to me...

I think this is simply yet another example of the trend towards 'sailors' of lesser experience venturing offshore than was typical in the past... The traditional progression from coastal to offshore sailing through a series of 'baby steps' has gone by the boards for many today, largely a result of the need to learn how to navigate having been eliminated from the equation...

Mr Heldenberg sounds like a pretty tough cookie, to me - he simply hadn't a CLUE what he might be getting himself into... In the days before GPS, I believe the odds were probably considerably higher that he might have had a deeper understanding of what he could potentially be in for, and how better to deal with it...
07-18-2013 09:44 AM
Shinook
Re: Interesting tale of a captain who abandoned vessel

We had a boat break off her mooring out here a few weeks ago and end up on the rocks.

Within a day the entire thing had been gutted by locals. The railing, stanchions, everything were gone. When people told me what happened, they acted like it was just to be expected and no one seemed to care.
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