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12-04-2013 05:17 AM
austintoday
Re: Open letter to yachtdesigners of the world

Hi,
Ive read the letter and it was nice reading on your thoughts and experiences with yacht designers all over.

Thanks,
Austin
12-03-2013 08:10 AM
PCP
Re: Open letter to yachtdesigners of the world

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Originally Posted by ScottUK View Post
Didn't Italy try something similar with negative results? I hope this is a complete failure and backfires. I also wonder of the laws compliance with EU regs. I think it is analogous to charging a tax on a EU car travelling in another EU country. Given the overall situation in Greece, I hold the ECB directly responsible.
They thought about something that for Sardinia years ago but they never went ahead with it. They have a tax on yachts but that has nothing to do with foreign boats but yes, they have considered recently something similar when they created that tax that ended up to be only for Italian boats. I have my boat in Italy and I don't pay any tax.

Croatia also charged about 260 euros for year to all foreign yachts sailing their waters, even if just for a day. I don't know how the situation is now.

I agree this is all pretty arbitrary and that EC should regulate the matter, after all one of the bases of EC is free circulation of persons. I believe that in the end they will do it but that is a long process. A complaint must be made then they have to analyze it then they will issue a mandatory "recommendation" that if not followed will have as consequence increasingly higher fines to Greece.

Regards

Paulo
12-03-2013 02:00 AM
ScottUK
Re: Open letter to yachtdesigners of the world

Didn't Italy try something similar with negative results? I hope this is a complete failure and backfires. I also wonder of the laws compliance with EU regs. I think it is analogous to charging a tax on a EU car travelling in another EU country. Given the overall situation in Greece, I hold the ECB directly responsible.
12-02-2013 02:31 PM
PCP
Re: Open letter to yachtdesigners of the world

Scott, now that you have warned me I have more information: The law has already been approved in the parliament and it will be effective after 1 of January 2014.

Regarding boats with more than 12m (that's my case) happily it is not as hard in what concerns me because it can be paid monthly: 10 euros for meter. that is quite stupid because if a boat with 11 or 12 m stays 15 days or three weeks in Greece it will pay 400 euros while a 13 meters boat will pay 130 euros

Well, it seems that it is this time that I will be sailing in Turkey. They have another stupidity there that is that law on grey and black water but because it is impossible to fulfill (and they know it) nobody, ioncluding the authorities, takes that seriously.

Anyway to sail in Greece to reach Turkey, unless I will make it direct and that's a shame, I will have to pay 125 euros to go and another 125 euros to return. Anyway less than 400 euros and about the same one pays to sail in Croatia.

This law will be very good for Croatia and Turkey and very bad for Greece. He will see lots of boats leaving Greece for those two countries.

Regards

Paulo
12-02-2013 08:46 AM
ScottUK
Re: Open letter to yachtdesigners of the world

Can't help you there Paulo. I have only sailed in Croatia on a bareboat.
12-02-2013 07:40 AM
PCP
Re: Open letter to yachtdesigners of the world

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Does the new cruising charges in Greece deter you at all Paulo? Glad I have already ticked that box though I wouldn't mind going back.
Thanks for pointing it to me I did not know about that:

"If the law is imposed, the tax will be introduced on 1 January 2014, as a circulation tax and will mean yachts and motorboats between 7m and 12m will have to pay up to €400 each year......

The tax will be charged for all recreational and commercial ships and small boats, regardless of their flag, which sail, are moored or anchored in Greek waters."

Read more at Yachts cruising in Greece face up to €400 annual tax | Pbo

If this is going through I would say that probably I will change my plans, for the money but also for a question of principle. It is a huge tax over the about 60 euros you payed already for some papers that were needed.

Do you know what is the situation in Croatia after the entering of EC? They still have that tax of about 260 euros?

Regards

Paulo
12-02-2013 02:08 AM
ScottUK
Re: Open letter to yachtdesigners of the world

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Greece?!? You are a VERY fortunate man, Paulo.
Does the new cruising charges in Greece deter you at all Paulo? Glad I have already ticked that box though I wouldn't mind going back.
12-01-2013 11:32 PM
Classic30
Re: Open letter to yachtdesigners of the world

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But a cruising boat is designed for cruising and I only cruise in mine, not Sunday sails, no weekend sails and that for a good reason, the boat is near the cruising grounds that now are in Greece. Anyway what I really like is to pick the boat and sail away. Never liked much short rides

Regards

Paulo
Greece?!? You are a VERY fortunate man, Paulo.

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man. i wish i could set my life up so i could say that. someday...
Heh. You ain't the only one!!!
12-01-2013 11:08 PM
captain jack
Re: Open letter to yachtdesigners of the world

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These days I sail my boat a lot more than I drive my car.

Paulo
man. i wish i could set my life up so i could say that. someday...
12-01-2013 10:48 PM
PCP
Re: Open letter to yachtdesigners of the world

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Sure, if I needed to sail even my old boat as much as I drive my personal car, I'd get tired of it pretty quickly - but that's where I'd shift to something entirely modern, for all the reasons you post above.
These days I sail my boat a lot more than I drive my car. There are several types of sailboats and the fact that many have cruising boats but don't cruise in them is the reason why you have seen in Europe but also on the states a huge increase of daysailers or weekend cruisers, some with more than 50fts, that are more adapted for the real use those sailors give to them. But you are right, for shorter rides an old boat can be lots of fun, like an old beautiful car.

But a cruising boat is designed for cruising and I only cruise in mine, not Sunday sails, no weekend sails and that for a good reason, the boat is near the cruising grounds that now are in Greece. Anyway what I really like is to pick the boat and sail away. Never liked much short rides

Regards

Paulo
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