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07-26-2013 08:08 PM
TJC45
Re: How to choose a daysailer/dinghy

Mstern, my comment not directed at you. No offense intended!

I guess i am oversensitive to some of the uniformed comments made about the boats. As well as the misconceptions. Comments that the boat is uncomfortable, it's slow downwind, it won't go to weather etc etc. Says who and compared to what?

That said, a Hobie 16 may not be the best boat in this situation. The boats are powerful, some people aren't comfortable launching off docks, and by design, if you want to sail the boat to it's potential, usually you are going to get wet. But then again, That's how it goes on many small boats. Part of the fun!!!!
07-26-2013 05:57 PM
mstern
Re: How to choose a daysailer/dinghy

TJ: I made my comments about the difficulty of sailing a catboat (not a Hobie) off of a dock, near what sounded like crowded conditions because of the OP's stated reason for wanting a boat: so his guests who come to visit him have "something to play with". I took that to mean that some who sail this boat will be less than expert boat handlers. My comments were geared towards trying to provide some insight for someone who wants to make things as easy as possible. I don't know the OP's friend at all, so I have no idea if a Hobie would be a good choice for him. I do think that a Hobie is probably not a good choice if the idea is to introduce a wide range of people (his guests) to sailing. The boat may be a bit too "exciting" for some, and in any case, sounds like a poor choice for that area. Not just because of the proximity of the locks, but because you wouldn't be able to use the locks to get to the rest (most of) the lake. I always had the best time on a Hobie when I could get the boat going on a long reach, maybe flying an ama. If the part of the lake where the boat would be restricted is too small, then for me, you lose the best part of the boat.

Just my two cents (adjusted for inflation).
07-26-2013 04:23 PM
TJC45
Re: How to choose a daysailer/dinghy

Can someone tell me why Hobie 16s are uncomfortable? This is the second thread in two days where that comment has been made. I've been sailing Hobies for almost 30 years. I can think of at least a dozen adjectives to describe these fast boats. Uncomfortable not one of them!

That said, I can sail a Hobie 16 off a lee shore any day of the week in any condition. And, yes, it's not a close winded boat. Add in boat traffic, obstructions current etc etc, doesn't matter. Bring it! I'll sail my Hobie 16 into your marina and put it in whatever slip you want. Am i saying this to brag? No!!! Far from it!!! There are sailors out there who can sail rings around me. The point: Learn boat handling! I had to learn these things because, sailing this boat, there was no Plan B!. It is either do it, or don't! Learning how to do it has worked out a lot better than elimating sailing locations because they weren't perfect.

Any sailboat can be sailed out from a lee shore, around obstructions, and thru locks. it could even be done without a motor. Don't let the location determine the boat. Sailing with these conditions, with practice, will make your friend an expert in how to handle them in no time.

Because of your friend's non athletic 60ish build, add Flying Scot to the list. Very comfortable, fast, and responsive. ( I learned sailing under sail into crowded marinas on Flying Scots)
07-26-2013 03:16 PM
mstern
Re: How to choose a daysailer/dinghy

Quote:
Originally Posted by imasaluki View Post
Great choice with the O'Day. I'll second the Rhodes 19 for a classy kind of guy. Cool cool cool boats... and easy on the eyes.
Yes, yes, yes. The Oday Daysailer or the Rhodes 19 would be perfect. Both are easy to trailer, launch and sail, and are very forgiving designs for the new sailor. You can't tip them over or really even scare yourself too badly. And as noted, they are smart looking craft.

Catboats are ok too, but if you have to sail off a lee shore on a regular basis, keep in mind that cats are not closewinded boats. Doesn't sound like a good match to me. But hey, if you are going to use the motor to get someplace else before you sail, that would work.
07-26-2013 02:24 PM
aprilsails
Re: How to choose a daysailer/dinghy

I've taken a look around and there doesn't seem to be any used Rhodes 19s for sale in my neck of the woods. I think we're going to stick to the used boat market since this is just for occasional use at the cottage. I've also found a Catalina 17 which is reasonable and in nice condition.
07-26-2013 01:37 PM
imasaluki Great choice with the O'Day. I'll second the Rhodes 19 for a classy kind of guy. Cool cool cool boats... and easy on the eyes.
07-26-2013 10:51 AM
aprilsails
Re: How to choose a daysailer/dinghy

Ok - I've been combing through the local classifieds, and although this is likely an older boat (I will check condition perdsonally), I think I've found a good option for my friend.

It's an O'Day 17 with trailer and outboard. It looks to have good stability and space for a couple of adults comfortably. Since it't at the yacht club I should be able to take it out to see the sails in action. Also the outboard.

I was going to post a link but my post# is too low.

Thoughts?
07-26-2013 08:30 AM
Sal Paradise
Re: How to choose a daysailer/dinghy

assuming he doesn't have to trailer far, and he has depth, you should recommend a low maintenance fixed keel type such as a Rhodes 19. More stable, less hassle.
07-25-2013 11:56 PM
baboon
Re: How to choose a daysailer/dinghy

Given your description it seems he would be better of in a sit in rather than sit on type of boat, this makes sunfish lasers etc a problem. Becuase of boat traffic a motor and therefore proper transom will be needed. A catboat would be a good simple option, an old beetlecat is nice. The capri listed above is another good choice. In addition there are most likely 500 hundred other small sailboats that would work well, even one not meant to take a motor could be set up with a small electric trolling motor without too much trouble.

A hobie in boat traffic with a new sailor is not so great.
07-25-2013 04:18 PM
aprilsails
Re: How to choose a daysailer/dinghy

I wasn't saying that he couldn't sail a Hobie - and I have taken a 95 year young great grandmother to the top mast and trestle trees on an 150' rig once - he's just not a super athletic type of guy and he's also 6'5" so I have a hard time imagining him being very comfortable learning in a dinghy (where another adult will have to teach him).

He's definitely the gentleman sailor type.

I'll look into your suggestions. I had flagged a couple of used catboats as possibly being a good idea. The lake he is on has very good depth and his dock and entrance is really deep (since he's basically right on the channel he's guaranteed to have at least 8').
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