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08-01-2013 11:07 PM
SHNOOL
Re: Downsizing - J22, Capri 21, any thoughts?

J 22s by listing...
J sailboats for sale by owner.

Capri 22s by listing
catalina sailboats for sale by owner.

I am sorry I found tons of Capris under $10k. You would be hard pressed to find a J/22 under 10k(although good friends managed to do it . They really should not be considered in the same breath, it all depends on what you are after. I LOVE the J/22 (great boat).

J/22 = if you want a go fast boat, for One Design racing. It's also a decent beer can racer.

Capri 22 = if you want an inexpensive PHRF/Portsmouth racer

I DO think the J/70 will eventually lower the value/price of the J/22 (it will!)... but the J/22 will continue on, very much like the J/24 continues ON. However, their OD fleet size will slowly wane from attrition.

Different subject... For those of us looking slightly bigger than the 22 foot range... Have you folks looked at the J/88... the New Catalina 275? Interesting times ahead for sure.
08-01-2013 09:28 PM
CBinRI
Re: Downsizing - J22, Capri 21, any thoughts?

The J22 will remain a popular one design class as it is so much cheaper than the J70. The popularity of this class will keep its value up and make it much easier to sell. I would pick the J22 without hesitation.
07-29-2013 01:13 PM
TJC45
Re: Downsizing - J22, Capri 21, any thoughts?

I think the average J22 is closely matched in price to a Capri 22. When you start adding new sails, slick underbody treatments, latest greatest race set ups on deck, the price of the J boats goes up. That said, there are plenty of non slick J22s around if racing isn't the primary use of the boat. Then again, if racing isn't the primary objective, the Capri offers a lot of bang for the buck.

As for the new j70 or others to create a weakening demand for the j22, I'm not so sure. In the past 30 or so years that the boat has been around, there have been plenty of new comers. Still, maybe the top end of the sport will gravitate to the newer boats. But not so much at the local club. The beauty of a J22 is it allows top level racing on a beer can budget. You don't need six figure pockets to race a J22 and win.
07-27-2013 03:19 PM
PontchatrainSailor
Re: Downsizing - J22, Capri 21, any thoughts?

Unless your planning on racing, you can find a better value than the J/22. Its a great boat, but you pay a premium because its such a popular one design class.

That said, I think the J/22 days are numbered, and the premium will slowly start decreasing as the J/70, Viper, VX, et al start growing. They guys I know who seriously raced J/22's are already starting to move away.
07-27-2013 10:03 AM
sony2000
Re: Downsizing - J22, Capri 21, any thoughts?

The J22 has risen in value over the last few years, but that will change, with the introduction of the J70. So I suggest going for more comfort, wing keel, and at half the price.
07-26-2013 11:46 PM
Sailvation
Re: Downsizing - J22, Capri 21, any thoughts?

Snhool; Sailing has changed over the past 25 years. When I first started racing there was a fleet of 10-15 J-24's at our interclub racing events ( 6 clubs each takes a tun hosting a regatta during the season HRYRA) . Now the various PHRF fleets are lucky to 5-8 boats. The Pearson Ensign (23') seems to be having a rebirth here. At my club we have about 5-6 which race weekly.

Capri 22 owner #297

Hershey
07-26-2013 09:00 PM
SHNOOL
Re: Downsizing - J22, Capri 21, any thoughts?

it's not as big as you might expect. But yes, the trade off is it crabs through a tack some.... once you are moving though it straightens out.

But if you are planning on launching and retrieving a lot... the wing is way easier.
07-26-2013 08:19 PM
TJC45
Re: Downsizing - J22, Capri 21, any thoughts?

Shnool, about the wing keel - there is a tradeoff in performance with that keel, correct?
07-26-2013 07:53 PM
SHNOOL
Re: Downsizing - J22, Capri 21, any thoughts?

I recognize that "hershey" who owns a Capri 22...
I owned a Capri 22, and have sailed on a J/22... The J/22 is hands down a blast to sail... but for $10k... Buy an older Capri 22, and put the extra $5k in sails! Then you can outsail the $10k J/22 with worn out sails!

Seriously the Capri 22 is a great sailing boat.. it's NOT as fast as the J/22 but the parts are cheaper, it's cheaper to buy, cheaper to maintain, if you get the wing keel model it's easier to launch, it's easier to solo sail...

NOW - if you plan to race ONLY (probably not yet).. and you have a J/22 fleet nearby, stretch NOW for the J/22 (you'll get crew quickly).

For a starter keel boat, the Capri 22 is a slam dunk... It just is... if you race it in Handicapped fleets, it does OK as well. The BEST model Capri to find is the Fin Keel, tall rig, first generation... but it'll also be the hardest to solo sail and launch. The easiest to learn on is the Regular rig, newest generation wing keel model.

If you want to ask questions about the Capri 22, check out http://http://www.capri22.net/phpbb/ forum. No I get nothing out of the forum... and it's the class association for the Capri 22.

For the record the J/22 class association is http://www.j22.com/
07-26-2013 06:49 PM
Sailvation
Re: Downsizing - J22, Capri 21, any thoughts?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob1112 View Post
Agreed that J-22 is the choice for the Hudson. Hint: the afternoon thermals on the East side of the river in the afternoon will keep you ghosting along, no matter how windless the day.
Ghosting againsst a 1 kt. current and you go backwards :-(

Hershey
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