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09-29-2013 08:36 PM
vtsailguy
Re: Beneteau Oceanis 45;I need your help to select right spec for 2yr world cruise pl

Jebus fewkin......

I am just about to d o year aboard with three kids with something 1/3 the size, 1/5 the price and 1/10 as well equipped.

This is an overkill thread!
09-28-2013 12:13 PM
Missingyou
Re: Beneteau Oceanis 45;I need your help to select right spec for 2yr world cruise pl

[quote=Daniels34;1072305]My wife and I decided to buy a new (or 2012) Beneteau Oceanis 45 to use:[LIST][*]During a 2 year sail trip around the world[*]With wife, 2 kids (3&10) and me[*]We look for a comfortable and safe boat that is relatively fast

I ask your help to select the right specification bearing in mind I have to be able to sail single-handed. Please comment on:
  1. Which sails should we choose? I was thinking: (a) standard 50m2 furing main sail, (b) 50m2 furling genoa (c) kotterfog for heavy winds (d) Beneteau's code 0 and (e) a Parasailor for downwind (suggestions on brand/type are welcome?)
    Quote:
    I'm not sure I can be much help here since I purchased my boat preconfigured. I do have a 140m2 Asymmetrical Spinnaker on order that I plan to use with a top down Furler.
  2. Standard saildrive or POD 90 for easy docking; I am not very experienced and thought the POD 90 was interesting for docking and shallow bays with reefs...
    Quote:
    The POD is an expensive complicated design. I would stick to the standard.
  3. 2 or 3 cabin options; we lean towards 2 cabins as we could use the versatile storage; including for a dishwasher and/or washing machine
    Quote:
    The Oceanis 45 is essentially a 3 cabin design. Opting for the 2 cabin is taking the 3rd cabin and making it slightly more conducive to storage but then losing the basic purpose for which it was designed. You could easily use the 3rd cabin for storage. My main concern is resale value for the two cabin. I looked at a 2 cabin and the dealer was begging me to buy it. I didn't, I bought a 3 cabin, a 2 cabin Oceanis 45 makes absolutely no sense to me. My particular dealer indicated he would never order one in that configuration.
  4. Colour of the hull; we really like a break from white and thought the grey/blue is refreshing; would this be an issue thought whenever repairing any damage?
    Quote:
    There is a Jeanneau 439 in a medium blue docked close to me. I am envious every time I stroll past. Very nice.
  5. Having read many books on ocean crossings all get damaged in Panama canal, busy Malaysian ports etc. anyone who fitted a thick (10cm) rubber barrier all around the boat? (Maybe crazy suggestion and yes would not win in beauty contest)
    Quote:
    .??.?
  6. Electronics; I specced the full Elegance, Electronic and Docking packs. Missing anything?
    Quote:
    I have full electronics.
  7. Navigation; Elegance and Electronic pack incl autopilot and bowthrusters. What does the optional Simrad NSS7 chart table screen add?
    Quote:
    You may consider adding your own Nav Chart Plotter later. I am considering an NSE in the smallest size and then linking it to my TV. The NSS does not have Video Out.
  8. Shallow (1,75m) or normal (2,15) cast iron keel?
    Quote:
    I have the Shallow Keel. For me it is a must have.
  9. Beneteau's Easy Sail worth the money?
    Quote:
    I'm not clear on this option either but it may be the Spinnaker Option that I have. Halyard, blocks, sheets. I would order it.
  10. We thought NOT to spec the generator as this would only use more of the 200 litres diesel; instead we noted that sailors often have to use the main engine when there is no wind to speak of and we look for advice on fitting solar panels...
    Quote:
    I won't purchase a boat without generator. I am also a fan of factory installed equipment. The generator is an important backup. You don't have to use it your diesel supply is limited.
  11. Water; 570litres including optional extra 200litres tank doesn't seem a lot for possibly 20 days continued sailing. Any suggestions if enough? Possible to get another 200litres or so instead of the generator?
    Quote:
    I have the optional 2nd tank which provides a total of 153US Gallons(580 liters). I think it is not a lot but I'm not sure I would sacrifice other space.
  12. We thought not to include a watermaker as it is costly and would use a lot of energy?
  13. Prop; we understand that an autoprop is better that a folding prop. Agree? If so maybe spec the normal SailDrive and keep the prop as a spare?
    Quote:
    I am researching an Autoprop. It seems like the best option since I like to motor sail.
  14. Noted in books that rudders sometimes break in have seas; any thoughts on spares to take or ways to strengthen rudder?
    Quote:
    Not sure I agree with this idea.
  15. Only one electric flush toilet in case we have no electricity, we can still pump flush #2?
    Quote:
    I have Sailvac, but understand your thinking.
  16. Radar: Simrad 4G as offered any good? Will it warn us at night loud enough about a ship closeby?
    Quote:
    Not sure yet but I do have radar. Having now sailed at night I do appreciate it since charts are not always accurate with buoy location. The Radar is effective at showing actual location.
  17. Are the electronic navigation maps expensive to obtain? Any thoughts on second hand/older maps to buy?
    Quote:
    No experience yet.
  18. Where do we best buy our paper back-up maps?
    Quote:
    I buy Maptech folding maps in the States. Not sure what is available on your side of the pond.
  19. TV 26" with antenna is a EUR 3000 option; seems a lot and do you get any reception anyway? Anyone fitted their own Samsung LED?
    Quote:
    I purchased a Vizeo 32" LED. It actually is not that big and uses less than 35 watts. 250 Euros?? The Antenna is more challenging but it is about $500(EUR 350??) for a rigger to install. EUR 3000 is outrageous. You can order with just the antenna. Still a little pricey but not outrageous(EUR 600??)

Sorry for all the questions, it would help me a lot if even you could answer 1-2. Have been reading LOTS and like to get the spec right straight away

Have already got a Suzumar DS320 with 6bhp Suzuki outboard

Quote:
I have an 8 hp Yamaha. Way too big. I'm looking for a 2.5hp four stroke.
Still need to buy sailing outfits, maybe an emergency raft? Any other thoughts are welcome!
Quote:
Consider an emergency raft that will fit in the rear area behind the fold down transom.
Best,
Sander
08-14-2013 03:50 PM
kellysails
Re: Beneteau Oceanis 45;I need your help to select right spec for 2yr world cruise pl

Here are some other customizations that we added

We put a PYI Seaview instrument pod on the center console, it rotates. The factory placed instruments by each wheel are horrible to view. Really bad ergonomics. I also added the stainless steel guard around the pod using SS tubing and four elbows. Easy to add.


Here is a pic of our bad ass alternator (Balmar), we kept the factory alternator to charge the engine batteries. This has worked out well. Though the first thing I did was to toss out that stupid engine cover.


The next thing I did was to move the fuel filter from the saildrive bay and put it in the tool room storage area. It was impossible to service from the saildrive bay, stupid design. Again, you can't do this unless you go with the 2 cabin version.
08-14-2013 03:14 PM
kellysails
Re: Beneteau Oceanis 45;I need your help to select right spec for 2yr world cruise pl

I have a 2012 B45, hull #26

We plan to get our boat to the Caribbean in 2-3 years. We are learning quite a bit about the boat even though we have 20 years of sailing experience. You should get at least 2 years of local sailing with it prior to heading out. Since it is a new boat, MANY MANY things will break in the first year under warranty. You may want to pick up some certifications from like RYA or similar organization in your country. Your families lives will depend on your experience and training.

Below are just my thoughts.

We went with a conventional main and had them change out the half battens for full battens. We had them install a Tides Marine tough track system to help raising and lowering the main. We have an electric winch for the halyard, it makes raising it a snap. I like conventional sails mostly from a safety view point. We had a roller main get stuck in Greece once and it was very very scary. The added performance of a conventional is a bonus but not the reason we went that way. We have a large asym spinnaker with an ATN sock. Very easy for the two of us to handle. While I would love a parasailor it is too much for a two person crew IMHO.

Don't waste the money on a POD system. Get a good folding prop like MaxProp 4-blade and bow thruster and you are good to go anywhere.

We went with the 2 cabin version and we are EXTREMELY glad we did. You will need that storage space. Our friends have a 3 cabin and they struggle for storage space.

The Simrad package is great. I would go with Simrad GoFree wifi tablet system for the cabin. The B45 does not have a traditional nav table so the GoFree is perfect. We also love our Navionics Platinum+ charts, fantastic. I did add an IS20 for the cabin, I use it occasionally.

Personally I would go with the longest keel you can get. It really does help going to weather.

Do you mean the POD easy sail system, it was a $15K option, no way, not needed

I have the two fuel tank option. A third tank was not an option when I inquired about it. Yes, not great tankage at all.

We went with with an add-on 210amp Balmar alternator for the house bank. Planning to add two D400 wind generators and 120 watts of solar panels. Our electrical system is split completely in two banks (house and engine). Each bank has its own alternator and charger.

We will be adding a 14 gallon per hour water maker. Again, with a 2 cabin version, a ton of space to add one.

Toilet, we did exactly that. A Vacuflush System in forward head and a standard in the midships head. Don't go with factory electric toilet as it is poor. Have the yard put in a Vacuflush, very nice.

We have the 3G radar and it is exceptional. The best I have ever used on a sailboat. But I hear the 4G is pretty amazing, might be worth the extra cost. I don't think the cost difference is very much.

This is where we mounted our 24 inch lcd. It is on an arm that swings out. Then we have hook and loop connectors to keep it in place.


One thing we added latter was a washdown system for the anchor. I put it in myself but you should make sure you have the yard add it at time of commissioning.

And here is Kairos. We love this boat it is awesome!!!!!!!!!!! We are on it all the time.
08-13-2013 12:42 PM
MSN2Travelers
Re: Beneteau Oceanis 45;I need your help to select right spec for 2yr world cruise pl

Sander,

Sent both a PM and email.
08-12-2013 04:37 PM
Daniels34
Re: Beneteau Oceanis 45;I need your help to select right spec for 2yr world cruise pl

Thanks so much Paul for taking the time to answer my detailed and wacky questions!

I understand:

TO KEEP IT SIMPLE (no dishwashers etc)

A kotterfog is actually Dutch for a storm sail. Anyone who has experience with a Parasailor?
Would this be a good alternative for a Spinnaker?

Anyone who does like Beneteau's POD 90 drive?

"Darker hull colors are reported to absorb the heat more and tend to show scratches easier."

Good advice; thought it would be refreshing though to stand out a bit from the thousands of white hulls. Also not sure I would choose teak side boards/decking so a bit of color might lift make the ship more interesting...

Simrad NSS7 chart table screen turns out to allow you to plan your route, read all your ship's info from the comfort of the lounge's chart table

"Shallow draft for the areas where you plan to go."
Does a shallow draft compromise sailing performance/speed or ability to sail sharp on the wind?

"A generator consumes considerably less diesel than the motor while generating the equivalent electrical power"

Never thought of it like this. Maybe it is possible to get a generator fitted as well as 200 litres of additional diesel storage (flexible tanks that can fit any corner of the hull)

OK, so 570 litres of water should be enough and we shower in the sea every now and then...

Anyone who has good experience with a watermaker?
How much power would this use and hence require yet more diesel for the generator regularly?

"Collision alarms are not just a function of a radar system. Radar is great in low visibility but it must be paired with an AIS system to provide the early warning you really want."
Radar can use quite a bit of power and most people leave it off more time than it is on."

I would spec an AIS system anyway. So maybe not buy the RADAR and just keep our eyes open when close to land/smaller vessels?
Is a radar mandatory for the 14m ship anywhere in the world?

General:
We have got our Dayskipper license and live in The Netherlands. I have sailed a lot on small boats but never on the sea and have no practical experience of advanced electronics (as you noticed!)

We would buy the Oceanis 45 and possibly register the boat in Turkey. We would cruise the Mediterranean for at least a year, do all required courses before we would cross the Atlantic...

Thanks again Paul !
08-12-2013 02:33 PM
MSN2Travelers
Re: Beneteau Oceanis 45;I need your help to select right spec for 2yr world cruise pl

Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniels34 View Post
My wife and I decided to buy a new (or 2012) Beneteau Oceanis 45 to use:

(*)During a 2 year sail trip around the world
(*)With wife, 2 kids (3&10) and me
(*)We look for a comfortable and safe boat that is relatively fast

I ask your help to select the right specification bearing in mind I have to be able to sail single-handed. Please comment on:

1) Which sails should we choose? I was thinking: (a) standard 50m2 furing main sail, (b) 50m2 furling genoa (c) kotterfog for heavy winds (d) Beneteau's code 0 and (e) a Parasailor for downwind (suggestions on brand/type are welcome?)

Good mix but deployment/recovery of the Code 0 and para sailor will require two people that know what they are doing. Never heard of “kotterfog”.

2) Standard saildrive or POD 90 for easy docking; I am not very experienced and thought the POD 90 was interesting for docking and shallow bays with reefs...

Keep it simple. Standard saildrive with bow thruster.

3) 2 or 3 cabin options; we lean towards 2 cabins as we could use the versatile storage; including for a dishwasher and/or washing machine

Like the two-cabin version for the added storage. Keep in mind that the Code O and Parasailor take up quite a bit of space along with fenders, dock lines along with the long lines you will need when going through various canal locks. Washing machine? Dish washer? Really??

4) Colour of the hull; we really like a break from white and thought the grey/blue is refreshing; would this be an issue thought whenever repairing any damage?

Darker hull colors are reported to absorb the heat more and tend to show scratches easier.

5) Having read many books on ocean crossings all get damaged in Panama canal, busy Malaysian ports etc. anyone who fitted a thick (10cm) rubber barrier all around the boat? (Maybe crazy suggestion and yes would not win in beauty contest)

This is the craziest idea I have ever read.

6) Electronics; I specced the full Elegance, Electronic and Docking packs. Missing anything?

Load up all the electronics you want. What will you do when they break? Have a manual backup and know how to use it.

7) Navigation; Elegance and Electronic pack incl autopilot and bowthrusters. What does the optional Simrad NSS7 chart table screen add?

Seems like a fancy fish finder to me.

8)Shallow (1,75m) or normal (2,15) cast iron keel?

Shallow draft for the areas where you plan to go.

9) Beneteau's Easy Sail worth the money?

I can’t find any reference to an “Easy Sail” option?

10) We thought NOT to spec the generator as this would only use more of the 200 litres diesel; instead we noted that sailors often have to use the main engine when there is no wind to speak of and we look for advice on fitting solar panels...

A generator consumes considerably less diesel than the motor while generating the equivalent electrical power. I’m not telling you to get the Beneteau installed generator; I’m telling you that you will need some sort of generator. My view is to have a portable unit because it can be taken off the boat for repairs or easily replaced while the built-in unit will limit your options.

11) Water; 570litres including optional extra 200litres tank doesn't seem a lot for possibly 20 days continued sailing. Any suggestions if enough? Possible to get another 200litres or so instead of the generator?

Washing machine, dish washer, Code 0, Parasailor, lines, fenders and you want to give up additional space to carry another 200 liters of water? I have two 200 liter tanks on my Beneteau and they are not small. I suspect you have no idea what your family will likely use on a daily basis. Try doing it at home, now, before you start adding extra tanks to the boat.

12) We thought not to include a watermaker as it is costly and would use a lot of energy?

I think a water maker is a better use of onboard space and will allow you to be more self-sufficient.

13) Prop; we understand that an autoprop is better that a folding prop. Agree? If so maybe spec the normal SailDrive and keep the prop as a spare?

I tend to like the standard drive with feathering prop (vs folding) and keeping the stock prop as a spair. (another thing to store)

14) Noted in books that rudders sometimes break in have seas; any thoughts on spares to take or ways to strengthen rudder?

At some point in time, everything will break. You can’t carry an entire spare boat with you. One thing that everybody seems to experience, more often than other problems, is dirty fuel. Having spare fuel filters and a good primary fuel filter system is mandatory. Otherwise, I would suggest a complete set of engine belts and several water pump impellers.

15) Only one electric flush toilet in case we have no electricity, we can still pump flush #2?


16) Radar: Simrad 4G as offered any good? Will it warn us at night loud enough about a ship closeby?

Collision alarms are not just a function of a radar system. Radar is great in low visibility but it must be paired with an AIS system to provide the early warning you really want. I believe vessels greater than 16 meters (varies by global location) is required to have AIS transmitter. I happen to have a VHF radio that has an AIS receiver networked to my chartplotter and the alarms are loud enough to wake the dead. Radar is a good way to see vessels not required to have AIS in low visibility (fog, dark). Radar can use quite a bit of power and most people leave it off more time than it is on.

17)Are the electronic navigation maps expensive to obtain? Any thoughts on second hand/older maps to buy?

Yes, electronic navigation maps can be expensive. You must have paper charts that cover your proposed sailing route. Old paper charts are OK as long as you understand that the information on them may be out-ofdate. (they are better than nothing.)

18) Where do we best buy our paper back-up maps?

Where are you located? Your paper map should be your primary. Use the electronic to “know” your position but transfer that information to the paper charts in case the electronics fail.

19) TV 26" with antenna is a EUR 3000 option; seems a lot and do you get any reception anyway? Anyone fitted their own Samsung LED?

I don’t know why anybody would buy an installed TV from a boat builder. If you must, get a small unit and install it yourself. A unit with built-in DVD player is a good option.

Sorry for all the questions, it would help me a lot if even you could answer 1-2. Have been reading LOTS and like to get the spec right straight away

Have already got a Suzumar DS320 with 6bhp Suzuki outboard

Still need to buy sailing outfits, maybe an emergency raft? Any other thoughts are welcome!

Best,
Sander
Not sure where to begin. I’m sure you will get responses that question the wisdom of what you are planning to do. If I read this correctly: You are not very experienced, The boat must be equipped to allow single handed sailing and your first extended cruise will be around the world. Is that correct? Does your wife have any boating experience? Does your with have any sailing experience? Do you know how to navigate using paper charts (no electronics working )?

See individual answers in bold above.

Consider a davit system to carry the Suzumar and get a system that allows you to mount solar panels. Yes, you will want a life raft.

Spend at least one season doing local cruises, one or two weeks in length, so you and your family can get a feel for water/power/fuel use before taking on the world.

Consider asking this list of questions (if you haven't already) at: Cruisers & Sailing Forums Don't cut corners on safety/survival gear.

Good Luck . . .
08-11-2013 09:23 AM
Daniels34
Beneteau Oceanis 45;I need your help to select right spec for 2yr world cruise please

My wife and I decided to buy a new (or 2012) Beneteau Oceanis 45 to use:[LIST][*]During a 2 year sail trip around the world[*]With wife, 2 kids (3&10) and me[*]We look for a comfortable and safe boat that is relatively fast

I ask your help to select the right specification bearing in mind I have to be able to sail single-handed. Please comment on:
  1. Which sails should we choose? I was thinking: (a) standard 50m2 furing main sail, (b) 50m2 furling genoa (c) kotterfog for heavy winds (d) Beneteau's code 0 and (e) a Parasailor for downwind (suggestions on brand/type are welcome?)
  2. Standard saildrive or POD 90 for easy docking; I am not very experienced and thought the POD 90 was interesting for docking and shallow bays with reefs...
  3. 2 or 3 cabin options; we lean towards 2 cabins as we could use the versatile storage; including for a dishwasher and/or washing machine
  4. Colour of the hull; we really like a break from white and thought the grey/blue is refreshing; would this be an issue thought whenever repairing any damage?
  5. Having read many books on ocean crossings all get damaged in Panama canal, busy Malaysian ports etc. anyone who fitted a thick (10cm) rubber barrier all around the boat? (Maybe crazy suggestion and yes would not win in beauty contest)
  6. Electronics; I specced the full Elegance, Electronic and Docking packs. Missing anything?
  7. Navigation; Elegance and Electronic pack incl autopilot and bowthrusters. What does the optional Simrad NSS7 chart table screen add?
  8. Shallow (1,75m) or normal (2,15) cast iron keel?
  9. Beneteau's Easy Sail worth the money?
  10. We thought NOT to spec the generator as this would only use more of the 200 litres diesel; instead we noted that sailors often have to use the main engine when there is no wind to speak of and we look for advice on fitting solar panels...
  11. Water; 570litres including optional extra 200litres tank doesn't seem a lot for possibly 20 days continued sailing. Any suggestions if enough? Possible to get another 200litres or so instead of the generator?
  12. We thought not to include a watermaker as it is costly and would use a lot of energy?
  13. Prop; we understand that an autoprop is better that a folding prop. Agree? If so maybe spec the normal SailDrive and keep the prop as a spare?
  14. Noted in books that rudders sometimes break in have seas; any thoughts on spares to take or ways to strengthen rudder?
  15. Only one electric flush toilet in case we have no electricity, we can still pump flush #2?
  16. Radar: Simrad 4G as offered any good? Will it warn us at night loud enough about a ship closeby?
  17. Are the electronic navigation maps expensive to obtain? Any thoughts on second hand/older maps to buy?
  18. Where do we best buy our paper back-up maps?
  19. TV 26" with antenna is a EUR 3000 option; seems a lot and do you get any reception anyway? Anyone fitted their own Samsung LED?

Sorry for all the questions, it would help me a lot if even you could answer 1-2. Have been reading LOTS and like to get the spec right straight away

Have already got a Suzumar DS320 with 6bhp Suzuki outboard

Still need to buy sailing outfits, maybe an emergency raft? Any other thoughts are welcome!

Best,
Sander

 
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