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08-17-2013 09:36 AM
jim2ksb
Re: Considering PSC for family of 4

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Originally Posted by Cruisingdad View Post
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The track for the car on the cabin top had to be pulled and rebeded. That was a CHORE.
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But the reality is you are now dealing with a very old boat that inherently will have many problems as ALL old boats do.
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One nice thing about the Pacific Seacraft is that the removable headliners let you get to every part of the deck so you CAN rebed deck hardware. Try that on a most production boats. Their fiberglass liners make it impossible to work on deck fittings without cutting large holes in the liner to access whatever it is you want to fix.

I've owned Catalina, Hunter, and Pacific Seacraft, and I have to say that I found the space vs. quality tradeoff of the PS well worth it for me. If you compare a PS to other boats of a similar age, I think you will find that Pacific Seacrafts age well because they were well-built to start with.

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Originally Posted by cjb View Post
Presently, we sail a 2005 Hunter 36. Volume down below is nice, but with the beam carried aft, the stern is basically flat. When broad reaching or running, the waves overtaking the stern cause a bit of uncomfortable ride (pitch, yaw, roll, repeat).
I've found that the ride on our PS34 is just so much smoother than other boats I've sailed. I've sailed boats with higher and lower D/Ls and higher and lower "comfort factors" and it doesn't seem to matter. The designer, Bill Crealock, wanted the boat to be kind to her crew when sailing, and he really nailed it.

That being said, it's true that any of the Crealock models with canoe stern and narrow beam are going to be much smaller inside than boats shaped like your Hunter 36. You may even find that the PS40 feels smaller down below than your H36. So it depends on your priorities. If below decks space is what is most important, and if you are doing mostly Chesapeake cruising with the rare trip offshore, then you may be better off sticking with something like what you already have, and making judicious upgrades to make that boat capable of the rare offshore trip.
08-16-2013 09:35 PM
tdw
Re: Considering PSC for family of 4

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Originally Posted by Cruisingdad View Post
Nah, just throw Bob over. At least the tools are worth something.

Miss you guys. Looking at a potential Tortugas trip in October if you are interested (and weather permits)?

Brian
... zat mean you also intend jettisoning the fatboy ?
08-16-2013 05:00 PM
Cruisingdad
Re: Considering PSC for family of 4

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Originally Posted by ellenwhite2 View Post
Brian, Y E S !!!
Oh, and please kick him for me when you do.

Brian
08-16-2013 04:58 PM
ellenwhite2
Considering PSC for family of 4

Brian, Y E S !!!
08-16-2013 12:16 PM
Cruisingdad
Re: Considering PSC for family of 4

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Originally Posted by ellenwhite2 View Post
Well! I see I am late in defending myself ( and lovely Crealock 37) from you, Brian. I only have 1 question: do you think we might sail faster if I ditched Bob's 1000 lbs of tools? How about the 250 lbs of cat litter? The cat? Bob? Just wondering......... And to the OP: yes, our boat is less roomy, so we always head to Cruising Dads boat to drink his booze!!
Nah, just throw Bob over. At least the tools are worth something.

Miss you guys. Looking at a potential Tortugas trip in October if you are interested (and weather permits)?

Brian
08-15-2013 10:03 PM
oceangirl
Re: Considering PSC for family of 4

Thanks miatopaul, we will use a prototype before ripping everything out.

Sorry for the thread drift.
08-15-2013 09:23 PM
miatapaul
Re: Considering PSC for family of 4

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Originally Posted by RainDog View Post
If you are have been trying to compare a 40+ foot "production boat" with a 34 foot PSC, then I many of your arguments make a lot more sense as far as room and speed go, but that is kind of a silly comparison. You can really only compare boats of a similar length.

For sure 90% of the speed of your boat will come from LWL. This will completely dwarf any other consideration.
Well you can compare 2 boats of the same water length or that are the same price. I think that was CD's point that for the same money he can get a much bigger boat, not just length but interior for the weekending. So it will be faster based on a more modern design, and longer water line, but be about the same money, or even less but also get twice (or more) room. I like the look of the more traditional boats, but real off shore cruising is a ways off for me so I think there are some good compromises out there, and for some the Catalina 400 would be it. Heck some think of it as a heavy slow cruiser.

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Originally Posted by RainDog View Post
Afraid we are taking the plunge this weekend either way. After $2000+, over 10 head rebuilds, 4 new heads, all new hoses, rebuilt holding tanks.... I finally give up. A guy can only take so much.

More importantly my wife declared composting it will be. So it will be.
I think composting is the way to go. It seems that in lots of places it even makes sense for land home use. I know I was looking at a house that was on the Hudson River, as in the back of the house was about 50 feet from the water. The septic system was shot, that was very obvious and the previous deals had fallen through because they could not get financed due to the septic system. That close to the river and there was no way to get the health department to sign off on anything but a raised bed clay lined system and that was starting at about the value of the house. I figured put in a composting system and use a dry well for grey water. But the spouse was not so inclined! Our real estate broker kept asking me where will the s***t go?

For a boat it just makes sense (or is that scent!) to me. No holding tank, no sloshing slop of nastiness. It is not all roses, but sure seems easier to deal with. The C-Head looks kind of cool, but the airhead/natures head seem to have a really good setup. Brent's system of using a pot lid to cover his bucket and what not seems a bit rudimentary, but fits his needs. I also don't think any of them really composts it to the point that I would want to put it in a vegetable or flower garden, but in a bag into the trash seems reasonable and even dumping overboard when out to sea.
08-15-2013 07:21 PM
ellenwhite2
Considering PSC for family of 4

Well! I see I am late in defending myself ( and lovely Crealock 37) from you, Brian. I only have 1 question: do you think we might sail faster if I ditched Bob's 1000 lbs of tools? How about the 250 lbs of cat litter? The cat? Bob? Just wondering......... And to the OP: yes, our boat is less roomy, so we always head to Cruising Dads boat to drink his booze!!
08-15-2013 05:22 PM
outbound
Re: Considering PSC for family of 4

I loved the psc and if I could afford it would now have two boats. Still as Paulo and Bob repetitive have pointed out there have been advances in naval architecture. As Wolf ice pointed out this may be true but does not negate the beauty strength and performance of older designs. Still the op posited liveaboard for four people. .in this context Brian is right
08-15-2013 04:03 PM
Cruisingdad
Re: Considering PSC for family of 4

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Originally Posted by smackdaddy View Post
OOooooohhhhh, and the Hunter 40 spanks the C400! Love it!
Just so you know, I raced with one on our last run down here from St Pete. Fast boat, but can't point as high as we can. I outran him. Keep that in mind as you start racing her.

You have a polar for that boat? Check it out. It will help you fine tune your tactics, but I suspect you are a beam reacher.

Brian
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