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08-29-2013 04:28 PM
MedSailor
Re: Delta Anchor won't set.

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Originally Posted by smurphny View Post
What kind of bottom? Also, chain? I use 3/8" chain with the much heavier than spec. CQR. It's no fun hauling up all that weight by hand but it has always set quick and held through all sorts of variable winds and currents in different kinds of bottoms (although I can't remember using it in rocks). It has held well in grass when other boats slipped all around me.
Do you use a chain stopper? It's like a poor man's windlass and it works by allowing the chain to only go through one way until released. Imagine a rope clutch, but for chain. You can also run the rope part of your rode to your mast winches and winch the puppy up until the chain reaches the mast. Usually it's a straight line from the bow roller to the main halyard/jib halyard winch. Depending on how much chain you have before your anchor, it might represent a major portion of your hauling.



I used a Fortress (danforth style) for quite a few months. One of it's negatives is that the chain, or a rock, can jam in the flukes making it unsetable until brought up again.

MedSailor
08-29-2013 11:44 AM
JonEisberg
Re: Delta Anchor won't set.

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Originally Posted by jimgo View Post
Smurphny, FWIW, I had trouble getting my 25 lb CQR-style anchor to bite in the Delaware River. Dropped it and quickly deployed 200' of scope (water was 15') so there wasn't any tension on the line.
Well, that could have been a big part of your initial problem, right there... Not the best technique to setting a CQR, that anchor often seems to require quite a bit of 'fishing' to begin to get it to set... As mentioned in another thread somewhere, making a cup of tea, or opening a beer, is often the recommended second step of the process, after a CQR (or most any anchor, for that matter) first hits the bottom...

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Originally Posted by jimgo View Post
We drifted backward with the current, but kept moving for a while (well beyond where we should have). I finally used the engine to keep the line slack and let the anchor settle and set, and that seemed to do the trick. Once it set, it was fine until the tide changed. When the tide changed, we dragged for a bit (maybe 100') until it bit again and held through the entire tidal swing. Not a lot of wind, but decent current where we were.
That experience would definitely have me shopping for a new anchor :-)

After all, unless you happen to somehow be lying broadside to the flow, any current - even if fairly significant - is gonna be one of the most MODEST forces put on your ground tackle... Whatever current you saw that night, it would have been but a fraction of the load created by the windage of your boat in, say, 30 knots of wind... Swinging to a change of the current is certainly a common cause of eventual dragging, but once a boat is lying head to the 'new' direction of the flow, the forces in most cases really aren't very significant...

I know plenty of folks still swear by their CQRs, but in my experience there are far better all-around anchors out there now...
08-29-2013 11:25 AM
kellysails
Re: Delta Anchor won't set.

I do love my Spade, the first one of the latest generation. I don't think you can go wrong with any of the ones from the latest generation though.
08-29-2013 10:12 AM
smurphny
Re: Delta Anchor won't set.

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Originally Posted by jimgo View Post
Smurphny, FWIW, I had trouble getting my 25 lb CQR-style anchor to bite in the Delaware River. Dropped it and quickly deployed 200' of scope (water was 15') so there wasn't any tension on the line. We drifted backward with the current, but kept moving for a while (well beyond where we should have). I finally used the engine to keep the line slack and let the anchor settle and set, and that seemed to do the trick. Once it set, it was fine until the tide changed. When the tide changed, we dragged for a bit (maybe 100') until it bit again and held through the entire tidal swing. Not a lot of wind, but decent current where we were.
What kind of bottom? Also, chain? I use 3/8" chain with the much heavier than spec. CQR. It's no fun hauling up all that weight by hand but it has always set quick and held through all sorts of variable winds and currents in different kinds of bottoms (although I can't remember using it in rocks). It has held well in grass when other boats slipped all around me.
08-29-2013 09:48 AM
jimgo
Re: Delta Anchor won't set.

Smurphny, FWIW, I had trouble getting my 25 lb CQR-style anchor to bite in the Delaware River. Dropped it and quickly deployed 200' of scope (water was 15') so there wasn't any tension on the line. We drifted backward with the current, but kept moving for a while (well beyond where we should have). I finally used the engine to keep the line slack and let the anchor settle and set, and that seemed to do the trick. Once it set, it was fine until the tide changed. When the tide changed, we dragged for a bit (maybe 100') until it bit again and held through the entire tidal swing. Not a lot of wind, but decent current where we were.
08-29-2013 09:19 AM
smurphny
Re: Delta Anchor won't set.

Danforth and Fortress type anchors depend on shape and technology 100%. They really have no weight factor to help them out. I like the idea of having 40+ pounds down there along with good technology. Whether a new design like a Mantus (probably my next main anchor), a Bruce, or a CQR (main anchor now), I believe the sheer weight factor is important in being able to break into the bottom. A Danforth probably works just as well as the others 90% of the time but it's that one time that it just skips over the bottom, unable to grab, that presents the problem. When this happens and you're gaining backward momentum, the game is lost. I have NEVER had my 45kg CQR fail to set on the first attempt. Reliability is the operative word with anchors.
08-29-2013 07:26 AM
JonEisberg
Re: Delta Anchor won't set.

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Originally Posted by Mariner62 View Post

I've read that one problem can be with a change of wind direction, but I'm just wondering what the other downsides are with this anchor.
Well, that's the big one, of course... Once set, they generally don't handle veering very well, probably more bent shanks on Danforth-type anchors than any other type...

I think they also don't handle a shorter scope as well as some others, like a Bruce or one of the New Gens... In a crowded place like the Med, that might often be an important consideration...
08-29-2013 05:41 AM
Mariner62
Delta Anchor won't set.

So ater stowing the Delta, I've been using the old Danforth for a week or so now. I can't believe how beautifully it sets and holds. It comes up (after a bit of a struggle sometimes) with great clouds of stuff which seems encouraging.

I've read that one problem can be with a change of wind direction, but I'm just wondering what the other downsides are with this anchor.

They don't look very popular from observations of other boats in this region.

Dean
08-21-2013 09:23 AM
Ferretchaser
Re: Delta Anchor won't set.

i think we covered the " shot put anchoring " in an earlier thread .... "good" to see that someone took the advice ----- insert sarcastic emotion here ------
08-21-2013 08:29 AM
SVAuspicious
Re: Delta Anchor won't set.

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Originally Posted by northoceanbeach View Post
You're way over thinking this. It doesn't matter what side it's sitting on! It's the weight that matters. The shape is just for tradition. Just tie one end of rope off and pitch the anchor over the side. Not rocket science.
You may be kidding, but it isn't funny. Someone new to anchoring may take you seriously and put themselves and others at risk.
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