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10-15-2013 01:44 AM
davidpm
Re: Scary night sail

I took Charlie and Pat out last Saturday. It was blowing sustained 20 with gusts to 25. Pretty good chop. I'm getting pretty comfortable with this boat.
With a single reef in the main it handled pretty well. Was a little hard to tack but doable. We tacked a couple times and jibed a couple of times.
Tried the jib but that didn't work too well.

Charlie was having a good time but we did run into a couple of problems. Neither of them have very good legs. Charlie's are not functional at all, and his wife's are not very good either.

It is amazing how much you need your legs even if you are sitting when the boat is healing.
They both had a very difficult time staying put.
I had to really work at not healing the boat too much which was pretty hard with that much wind.

I discovered that our dock has a dock flag File:ICS November.svg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
That way if you are flying your flag they will come and help you dock or stop by for drinks if they catch you in Block Island or wherever. Been doing it for 50 years. Only dock to do it the "N" dock. I thought it was pretty cool.
09-17-2013 03:45 PM
davidpm
Re: Scary night sail

Quote:
Originally Posted by BubbleheadMd;1089572
How much higher does he need to be? Is it merely a few inches? Can he sit on one of the square, Type IV floatation cushions?[/quote

If the reefing systems are inoperable, don't be afraid to issue a "no-go" if the wind is up.
He needs to be at least 10 inches higher.
He can with his hands hop up on a 5" cushion.
We mocked up a 10" cushion and he couldn't get up on it.

He has a scissors lift from an old car but installing that will trash the aft cockpit locker and require a lot of work and possibly and extra battery or two.

The current thinking is a board with a double layer of 5" foam in the middle and and single on the sides.
This way he can step himself up.
This device would have to snap in somehow so it didn't slid around.
He would have to have a flip down shelf for his feet as they otherwise would not touch the floor.

Even if this works I still have some concerns.
If the boat heals what is going to keep him from sliding off the seat.
He has to be able to get out of the way if I have to drive or if he just wants to take a break.
We both have to be able to reach the engine controls on the starboard side.

I don't think we have a good idea yet.
Maybe the scissors lift is what it will have to be.
But how safe is it. Will it pinch someone on the way down?
Can he see and control the engine at the same time.

If he had even 10k to spend maybe something can be done.
But right now he needs dock-lines, sail cover, running rigging, engine work and an interior.

He is so far over his head and didn't know it.
I think he is slowing coming to that understanding.

If I can work it out so he can have one more season maybe then he can see the adventure as a success.

The last sail of the day yesterday I didn't put up the main. It was gusty enough that the half Genoa was enough for a mom and her two young daughters none of whom had ever been on a boat before.

I made that mistake a few years ago and the guy never went out a second time.
09-17-2013 03:28 PM
davidpm
Re: Scary night sail

Quote:
Originally Posted by knuterikt View Post
It's nice to follow this thread
If you take the boat in and have to go forward to get the spring on the dock, you could instruct the owner to use rudder and engine to keep the boat in place while you tie the other lines.
I thought of that too and might just try it.

As stupid as this sounds this is such a low budget operation we really don't have any extra dock lines. The ones he has are pretty ratty.

He only paid 2,500 for the boat and honestly thought he was going to get a boat for a couple thousand over that. He now has about 20k into the boat and is very surprised about how much stuff costs.

He has a regular job and is not wealthy so this adventure is really a stretch.

Yes I did tell him to not buy this boat as I knew it would cost a lot to fix up.
I was just one of a dozen people at the time giving him advice.
I was actually pretty angry at the broker and yard manager and surveyor for taking his money.
I never expected he would get it in the water.
He also is not very conducive to folks telling him what he can and can't do, has heard it before.

But sometimes folks do the wrong thing and it works out for them.
In this case the unusual off-set companion way and L shaped cockpit make it possible for his wife to board so maybe it was a good decision.

He lost a couple of months getting the boat ready and getting the insurance company to let him take it off the dock.

I'm just trying to let him have an acceptable end of season so maybe he will have 6 months to save some money.

But yes I'm pretty much at the limits of what I think is doable. Their were about 5 other guys that drive boats for SailCTaccess.org and none of them will get near the boat. The power squadron guys have helped him out a lot but they are not too up on sailing.
09-17-2013 03:14 PM
davidpm
Re: Scary night sail

Quote:
Originally Posted by knuterikt View Post

If you take the boat in and have to go forward to get the spring on the dock, you could instruct the owner to use rudder and engine to keep the boat in place while you tie the other lines.
Now that is an idea that I never thought of.
I wouldn't want to tie a spring to a stanchion but but tying to the forward cleat then having a loop around the shrouds to keep it close to the boat is an interesting idea.
09-17-2013 02:06 PM
knuterikt
Re: Scary night sail

Quote:
Originally Posted by davidpm View Post
I'm a big fan of springs but I find that they work best if put on a mid-ship cleat.

This boat does not have such a cleat.
I may try it from the bow and see what happens.
It's nice to follow this thread Charles is lucky to get your help.

suggest you try with a spring from the forward cleat before you start installing new cleats.

Another option is to use the forward cleat and use a rope strop to keep the line alongside the boat at the middle if you find an attachment point (it's not going to be much load on this stop).

If you take the boat in and have to go forward to get the spring on the dock, you could instruct the owner to use rudder and engine to keep the boat in place while you tie the other lines.
09-17-2013 11:55 AM
jimgo
Re: Scary night sail

Have you considered getting Charlie to add cleats? That seems the most straightforward solution. There's another thread here that includes a link to some genoa traveler cleats that are on sale:

http://www.sailnet.com/forums/gear-m...car-cleat.html

He could also just go with fixed cleats. My boat has mid-ship cleats, and it is worth the expense (and I'm "frugal").
09-17-2013 08:03 AM
BubbleheadMd
Re: Scary night sail

Marking the docklines is an excellent idea.
The "better solution" is to get the owner high enough so that he can see while driving in close quarters.

How much higher does he need to be? Is it merely a few inches? Can he sit on one of the square, Type IV floatation cushions?

If the reefing systems are inoperable, don't be afraid to issue a "no-go" if the wind is up.
09-17-2013 12:36 AM
davidpm
Re: Scary night sail

Quote:
Originally Posted by jimgo View Post
David, why not use a spring line?
I'm a big fan of springs but I find that they work best if put on a mid-ship cleat.

This boat does not have such a cleat.
I may try it from the bow and see what happens.
09-16-2013 10:07 PM
jimgo
Re: Scary night sail

David, why not use a spring line? I set one up on our boat, and in the 3 times I've docked, I found it worked perfectly. I "just" have to line myself up on the piling near the finger, then grab the line and hook it on the cleat. After that, the boat's momentum snugs me against the finger and I can get the stern and bow lines on. For me, it's spring line (starboard side), starboard stern line, bow lines, then port side stern line.
09-16-2013 04:18 PM
davidpm
Re: Scary night sail

This experience has really upped my game.
One challenge is that I have to handle docking myself.

Since Charlie can't get high enough to see well in close quarters I have to drive and then move forward and get off the boat and grab both the bow and stern lines.

I found it a little challenging to be able to be at both ends of the boat at once.
So I have recently come up with a strategy that seems to work.
Don't forget I have very pretty power boat to my starboard with no poles or any other protection.

I have a 30' bow line and about a 20' stern line.
I tie them together with a square know and leave them draped over the life lines.

After I make my left turn into the slip I allow the bow to swing past the pole on the port side.
Then I put it in reverse to slow the boat down and the bow swings starboard and the boat gets about 1/3 to 1/2 of the way into the slip.
This lets me get close enough to leave the engine in idle and go forward and step off the boat with the bow line.
I tie the bow line on the middle cleat as if it was a spring line.
By now the stern is starting to float away towards the power boat.
I can power reel in the bitter end of the bow line which since it is tied to the end of the stern line means that in about two seconds I have the stern line which if I pull it in tight forces the boat forward and pulls in the bow.
Now I can go fetch the bow breast line and tie it off.

This worked better than having someone on board attempting to throw me the stern line because if the throw misses I'm in trouble.

Based on my prior experience now that I think I've got the process down the next time I'll screw up royally.

If anyone has a better way to do this I'm all eyes.

My next big idea is to electrical tape or magic marker the dock lines where I want them so I can get them in the right place on the first or second try.
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