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06-02-2015 09:27 AM
malyea
Re: Sailing NE Florida to the Abacos

Thanks for all the varied opinions. Recently purchased a 1987 Irwin 43 currently getting her refitted for offshore work. Cheers!
05-30-2015 06:15 PM
JHK
Re: Sailing NE Florida to the Abacos

Crossed both directions on Dean 39 cat. Trip from St. Augustine direct to Abacos, had a nasty 20 hour storm from the south first night crossing the stream, 3 of the 4 crew out of commision with sea seasickness, (it was GREAT!) Next day had very large 20 a 30 swells with light winds 4th crewmember sick (it wasn't great), Got into to the Gulfstream back current heading east above the Abacos, surfed crossed into Abacos in poorly marked channel (nail biting).

Trip back was a breeze, similar course lighter winds.

Wouldn't recommend unless in heavy narrow vessel that beats well into the wind, while most moderate displacement wide boats will beat the heck out of the crew.

Other route considered crossing St.aug. to Northern Bahamas, and frequently used my our old yacht club members, with east winds,was to hug the Florida coast inside the GulfStream getting back eddies of up to 1-2 mph current then cross near Ft Pierce.
01-16-2014 02:06 PM
orthomartin
Re: Sailing NE Florida to the Abacos

Melyea, I may get some grief by others but I see no significant issue with your plan. First a short trip like the one proposed is barely what I would even call a "passage". You're talking 300nm or less and weather forecasting is generally very good for the two (three at most) days you will need. I have come down offshore from much further north (Hampton Va) and it is no big deal. Sometimes it's fun to take a more challenging route that requires more tack changes and decision making.
Your draft of course will play a big role in where you enter but just be sure to have the Explorer ChartBook for north Bahama and you will be fine. There are obviously only a finite number of places you can safely enter but much of that will depend on where you find yourself as you approach. Of course only enter in the daytime but that is a given.
BTW I just finished sailing around the world and I think the Bahamas are some of the best cruising grounds anywhere!
01-16-2014 12:51 PM
malyea
Re: Sailing NE Florida to the Abacos

Given the many variables of client skill sets, desired learning objectives, time frames, seasonal patterns and weather windows - I plan to develop a 'curriculum' comprised of a variety of 'passage options' that can be flexed to as appropriate.

While some clients may prefer to experience the common ICW south to FLL and cross to West End route, I'm currently more focused on researching pertinent information on which to round out the curriculum with offshore passage making options leaving from NE Florida -not to discount the ditch south bound, but to round out the program with offshore options.

Thanks
01-11-2014 11:11 AM
luv4sailin
Re: Sailing NE Florida to the Abacos

Re: s/v HyLyte's posting:

Excellent, excellent observations!

One additional thought:

Clients have schedules but off shore sailors can't. Add that concept to the Gulf Stream and then add a Northerly and you have either (1) clients sitting the harbor pissed that they have wasted their time/money or (2) clients and instructor(s) getting their clocks cleaned in the stream. Neither makes for a viable business plan. I've seen boats sit here in Miami for weeks waiting for a southerly in order to sail across the Gulf Stream. Please include these thoughts in you business planning or I fear the business will be short lived.
01-11-2014 10:54 AM
svHyLyte
Re: Sailing NE Florida to the Abacos

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Originally Posted by malyea View Post
Well...no...'plugging' my future enterprise, as you say, was just a way to illustrate why my intent for the thread was to specifically discuss offshore routes originating from NE Florida - and not a pro/con discussion on the more common routes from Florida to the Bahamas.

Thanks
Perhaps you need to think outside the box. Considering that getting from the Bahamas to St. Augustine is far less problematic than the reverse, perhaps your sail training could involve splitting a circuit between two groups of student crews. One to sail the yacht south from St. Augustine coast-wise to perhaps Ft. Lauderdale, learning boat handling and coastal navigation, and departing there for say West End for some off-shore and then Island Cruising after which they depart via air and a new crew arrives. The second crew cruises the islands learning boat handling and coastal navigation (presumably) and then departs West End (perhaps) for St. Augustine for some off-shore training. Of course, the big variable with this scheme will be weather as a Gulf Stream passage in any winds with a northerly component is certain to be very uncomfortable at best and, for novice crew, likely fairly frightening.

A third alternative is simply recognizing that St. Augustine isn't particularly conducive to your plans if they must include passages to the Bahamas and perhaps rethinking your base of operations to, say, Dinner Key Marina, Key Biscayne or some locale more suitable. And frankly, for the novice, a trip to no further than Bimini/Honeymoon Harbor/Cat Key would be no less enjoyable (and perhaps more-so) than a longer harder more tiring slog, that leaves less time of "play", eh?

FWIW...
01-11-2014 09:46 AM
malyea
Re: Sailing NE Florida to the Abacos

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Originally Posted by DRFerron View Post
But apparently not the advice of people with more experience if it doesn't suit your itinerary.

Sorry, but it sounds like you started this thread not so much for route advice but to plug your as-yet-to-open offshore sailing enterprise.
Well...no...'plugging' my future enterprise, as you say, was just a way to illustrate why my intent for the thread was to specifically discuss offshore routes originating from NE Florida - and not a pro/con discussion on the more common routes from Florida to the Bahamas.

Thanks
01-10-2014 09:40 AM
Group9
Re: Sailing NE Florida to the Abacos

Someone has found the thorny path to the Bahamas!
01-10-2014 08:56 AM
DRFerron
Re: Sailing NE Florida to the Abacos

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Originally Posted by malyea View Post
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Time of year, wind and weather windows would all dictate the itinerary and provide passage choices for the offshore training.

Thanks!
But apparently not the advice of people with more experience if it doesn't suit your itinerary.

Sorry, but it sounds like you started this thread not so much for route advice but to plug your as-yet-to-open offshore sailing enterprise.
01-10-2014 07:58 AM
dinodino
Re: Sailing NE Florida to the Abacos

You should open a separate thread about your $100k offshore boat plan.
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