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09-04-2013 10:18 AM
chucklesR
Re: oil vs varnish vs epoxy

A simple sock type cover for the 99 percent of the time the tiller is unused will keep the finish perfect for many many years.
Epoxy, then varnish, sand smooth through the grits and apply as many layers as you can stand.
09-04-2013 10:03 AM
zeehag
Re: oil vs varnish vs epoxy

varnish and cetol keep folks in temperate zones. oil is used everywhere and mine is only 6 hours work in a year with 110 ft of caprail and 30 ft taffrail..... i dont stay at dock sin sailing season. i have yet to actually see anyone doing varnish down here on boats that SAIL.
09-03-2013 09:48 PM
foamy
Re: oil vs varnish vs epoxy

A boat friend of mine has been using Teak Guard, I believe an Aussie product. Seems to last a long time and looks like a teak finish (well sort of).
Has any one out there in boat land used this product successfully?

the foameister (I drink margies not beer)
Tartan 3800
09-03-2013 04:43 PM
mstern
Re: oil vs varnish vs epoxy

After several years and trying various products, I have come to the conclusion that Cetol is the best compromise in terms of looks/protection/maintenance. It doesn't look as good as varnish (nothing does IMHO), but its MUCH easier to apply; its almost as easy to apply as oil. As for durability, it won't last as long as varnish, but it does last longer than oil.
09-03-2013 04:11 PM
Minnewaska
Re: oil vs varnish vs epoxy

Sun and water are brutal on brightwork, of any kind. You might want to ask yourself, which can I repair most readily or will I just keep it from being exposed?

Varnish is the most repairable, IMO. Still, it takes a ton of time to apply. Its the 24 hrs between coats that is a time killer.

I like Bristol Finish as a substitute. You can recoat within an hour and do the whole job in one day. Looks closest to real varnish too. Still, harder to repair, so you want to top coat each year and stay ahead of any blisters.
09-03-2013 03:03 PM
zeehag
Re: oil vs varnish vs epoxy

i wash mine with sea water and a 3m pad, then oil it and i spend only 6 hours annually on it --i do not sit at dock varnishing all year.
09-03-2013 02:15 PM
SVTatia
Re: oil vs varnish vs epoxy

Is Cetol considered a varnish? This is my choice. Easy on, easy to maintain, had that in in tropics (real tropics) for many years and I would not use anything else.
09-03-2013 12:22 PM
oceangirl
Re: oil vs varnish vs epoxy

Clear Penetrating Epoxy Sealer

I've used, and really like, smith's penetrating epoxy, coat till it won't absorb any more, then lay 5-7 coats of a good exterior varnish.
The smiths is a two part, looks like water, really soaks the wood well. Last time i used it, I could only get in in gallon drums, but ibelieve you can buy small batches now. I liked to mix up a batch in a glass mason jar. When you are coating a small area, you can save unused epoxy. I put unused portion ( tightly covered) in freezer as soon as I'm done coating. I let the wood cure overnight. In the morning, allow cold epoxy to come up to temp with lid off before using again. I'm in Texas, so I think it was about 20 minutes. I never used same epoxy for more than one overnight, so don't know how long you can get away with that technique.

Nice thing about the penetrating epoxy is that it will strengthen your tiller, I don't think I'd bother with epoxy unless it was a piece that needed to be durable, or it was showing signs of rot. In other words, I wouldn't bother epoxying healthy eyebrows.

Hope that helps.
09-03-2013 11:36 AM
JonEisberg
Re: oil vs varnish vs epoxy

Whatever you do, DO NOT USE "OIL", probably the worst thing you can do for exterior teak... Don't take my word for it, take Rebecca Wittmann's, varnish is the way to go for trim...

"Taking care of teak and other marine links."

I've used West epoxy to build up a level finish for the minimal bits of brightwork I have - tiller, handrails, and dorades... If you don't use a sanding sealer first, epoxy can really darken the hue of teak... Several coats of epoxy to build up to a smooth surface, then several coats of varnish with a UV inhibitor ( I've used Epifanes, with good results) The epoxy undercoat really helps prevent lifting of the varnish, seems to me, and I've yet to have any real "issues" using this method...





Of course, it also helps that all of my brightwork lives under covers about 99% of the time :-)


09-03-2013 04:55 AM
SailRedemption
Re: oil vs varnish vs epoxy

I have seen clear Awlgrip go on wood before.. Our boatyard painter has done this a couple of times. Looks great, but he mostly does varnish.
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