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2 Weeks Ago 10:28 AM
WoobaGooba
Re: Flying Scot - did I buy the wrong boat?

Our fleet races in these conditions all the time. The FS will fly downwind in 15 knots plus. Baring the occasional flip .
2 Weeks Ago 08:21 AM
TakeFive
Re: Flying Scot - did I buy the wrong boat?

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Originally Posted by Tiger-words View Post
Wow. His first post preceded the capsize...
His first post on this thread was Sept. 2013. His capsize was Oct. 2012.
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Originally Posted by WoobaGooba View Post
...Ever tried getting the sails off after a capsize with the boat being tossed in 4' seas?

Any number of far better ways to do this. Just one would be low stretch cordage halyards to simple cleats, cunninghams for luff tension. Toss the winch arrangement.
Clearly this boat is not designed for anything close to 4' seas. Did you go out in those conditions intentionally, or just get caught out there once?
2 Weeks Ago 02:13 AM
WoobaGooba
Re: Flying Scot - did I buy the wrong boat?

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Originally Posted by Tiger-words View Post
Thanks. While I agree that it's not state of the art, I've never had any problems or complaints with the issues you've listed, save the breaking handle - which breaks for a reason. I am known to tweak and (hopefully) improve things, but there's little there I'd change.
Tying my comments back to the OP. Ever tried getting the sails off after a capsize with the boat being tossed in 4' seas?

Any number of far better ways to do this. Just one would be low stretch cordage halyards to simple cleats, cunninghams for luff tension. Toss the winch arrangement.
2 Weeks Ago 02:03 AM
Tiger-words
Re: Flying Scot - did I buy the wrong boat?

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Originally Posted by TakeFive View Post
No. He purchased it in Oct 2012 and turtled it his first time out in the Delaware River the next week. He probably was too embarrassed to mention that in his first post, though I'm comfortable saying it now because he discloses the capsize in the ad. The factory fixed it over the winter, he moved to more protected waters for 2013 season (Nockamixon), but the stress of that first time out ruined the fun for him, so he is selling
This is a nice guy who just got caught out in the wrong conditions. I don't know all the details because I wasn't with him (though I had offered). I did go out about 15 miles downriver from him the same day on my own boat. Forecast was 7 mph with gusts to 12, but actual recorded winds were 14-16 mph with gusts to 23. While I was on my boat I remember thinking, "uh-oh, this is not what he needs his first time out." I think he also had some inexperienced crew with him, who may not have known how to spill air quickly enough, and probably had him over-canvassed and/or failed to shift their weight fast enough.
Wow. His first post preceded the capsize but what a shame,he's traumatized by that first time. Incidentally, I sail with my 85 year old mother. She loves my boat.
2 Weeks Ago 01:57 AM
Tiger-words
Re: Flying Scot - did I buy the wrong boat?

Thanks. While I agree that it's not state of the art, I've never had any problems or complaints with the issues you've listed, save the breaking handle - which breaks for a reason. I am known to tweak and (hopefully) improve things, but there's little there I'd change.
2 Weeks Ago 01:43 AM
WoobaGooba
Re: Flying Scot - did I buy the wrong boat?

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Originally Posted by Tiger-words View Post
What about it do you dislike?
- the halyards are wire (meat hooks).
- they often don't wrap evenly around the drums, often overriding.
- the handle is known to snap.
- the handle often gets lost (needs to be tethered somehow).
- difficult to pop the cam to release pressure.

IMO this arrangement's time is past.
2 Weeks Ago 01:03 AM
TakeFive
Re: Flying Scot - did I buy the wrong boat?

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Originally Posted by Tiger-words View Post
So let me get this right, he purchased in 2012 and was afraid of turtling and then,in 2013, actually turtled and damaged it and is now selling?
Sheesh.
No. He purchased it in Oct 2012 and turtled it his first time out in the Delaware River the next week. He probably was too embarrassed to mention that in his first post, though I'm comfortable saying it now because he discloses the capsize in the ad. The factory fixed it over the winter, he moved to more protected waters for 2013 season (Nockamixon), but the stress of that first time out ruined the fun for him, so he is selling now.

The issue about his wife wanting to lounge in the boat must have become a show-stopper, because any non-ballasted boat requires constant vigilance. Prior to buying the FS he had rented a Catalina 25 a few times, and a ballasted keel boat in the 22-25' range may have been a better choice. I know he was considering that size range because he came to see Ulladh and me on our boats just to get a feel for that size range. (Neither of our boats were/are for sale.)

This is a nice guy who just got caught out in the wrong conditions. I don't know all the details because I wasn't with him (though I had offered). I did go out about 15 miles downriver from him the same day on my own boat. Forecast was 7 mph with gusts to 12, but actual recorded winds were 14-16 mph with gusts to 23. While I was on my boat I remember thinking, "uh-oh, this is not what he needs his first time out." I think he also had some inexperienced crew with him, who may not have known how to spill air quickly enough, and probably had him over-canvassed and/or failed to shift their weight fast enough.
2 Weeks Ago 12:47 AM
Tiger-words
Re: Flying Scot - did I buy the wrong boat?

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Originally Posted by WoobaGooba View Post
One real annoyance ... the halyard winch setup is a complete PITA.
What about it do you dislike?
2 Weeks Ago 12:38 AM
WoobaGooba
Re: Flying Scot - did I buy the wrong boat?

If it helps, I have capsized the FS about half a dozen times over the last few years. All racing. Typically a) spaz-ed out with the mainsheet cleated upwind in gusty / shifting Northerlys and b) heavy air downwind plane in 4-6' seas. Drove it straight in after failing to pick through the next wave front. Translation ... it aint easy to capsize these boats.

The FS is one of the most stable centerboard dinghy's available. Excellent boat for a dedicated learner. But not really a cruise machine for disinterested passengers.

One real annoyance ... the halyard winch setup is a complete PITA.
2 Weeks Ago 12:37 AM
Tiger-words
Re: Flying Scot - did I buy the wrong boat?

Thanks. So let me get this right, he purchased in 2012 and was afraid of turtling and then,in 2013, actually turtled and damaged it and is now selling?
Sheesh, poor guy.
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