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4 Weeks Ago 06:42 PM
okawbow
Re: Flying Scot - did I buy the wrong boat?

Flying Scott's are fun to sail and stable for centerboard boats. However, if you just want to sail off the dock and take it easy, no racing; then a small keel boat will feel more solid and safe to you and the family.

I like the older full keel boats myself. My Bristol 19 goes just fine in light air, and I'm just beginning to enjoy myself when the wind picks up enough to send the dingy sailors home. I can reef the mainsail, and have a choice of jibs to suit the wind conditions. If I want to sit back and take it easy; I can cleat the main sheet and let the boat heel all she wants in a gust without losing control or fearing a capsize. If I want to race, I can still get in the PHRF races and hare and hound low keyed races.
4 Weeks Ago 04:17 PM
Stumble
Re: Flying Scot - did I buy the wrong boat?

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Originally Posted by Luf View Post
and what are these better boats?
Again at what budget, and what's the purpose? If you are looking for a new boat, then a new Scott runs about $26-28,000 ready to sail on a trailer. I have sailed all the boats below (plus the Scott) in over 25kn and have more detailed reviews on them if you want.

The GYA (Gulf Yachting Association) is in the process of replacing our fleet of Scotts and I have been part of that process for three years. The Scott has had its day and it has been a wonderful boat for more than half a century, but it's old and the design is tired. The boats below are just a selection of the designed that have been considered for the GYA.

For our purposes the decision will be between the VX and the Viper, but our criteria are a little different than everyone's. We want a more performance leaning boat, and one that has a one design class. So just because those are what we are considering doesn't mean they would be right for everyone.

That being said, there are a lot of major issues with the Scott. The most critical of which is that it cannot self rescue. If it broaches (and it happens reasonably often) the boat is incapable of making it back to dock on its own. The cockpit fills and while it remains floating with about 3" of deck above the water, it will need a tow in. A couple of times a year we have to send out rescue boats to save people and tow them in, then lift the boat out of the water on our hoist. All of the boats below are capable of self rescue, meaning that in the event of broaching they will drain the water from the cockpit.


VX One - a little more ~$32,000 but vastly superior boat handeling, speed, ease of sailing, trailering and unlike the Scott can self rescue.

Viper 640 - a much bigger boat, more expensive at ~$35,000 new, but there are very good used boats in the $20,000 range. Faster, more stable, safer, can self rescue, easier to sail, much more capable...

Topaz Omega - smaller, lighter, roto molded but only $8,000 new. It's performance is lackluster, but is very stable. More of a V15 replacement than a Scott.

Seascape 18 - $25,000 a small keel boat, real cabin, sails well, spreader less rig is rock solid, all around very impressive. A little heavier than the Scott, but not much more so.

K6 - ~$27,000 same leingth, much narrower. Unlike the Scott is relies on ballast instead of form stability so it gives up room. But it's easy to sail, comfortable to be on and an all round interesting boat.

RS Venture - $18,000 very similar to the Scott in performance (ie slow) at a fraction the price, and much more comfortable to be in. I am not a fan of the centerboard trunk, but all in all a pretty reasonable boat, if a little bland 'just a boat' feel.


I am sure I can come up with more. The reality is that the Scott was designed in the 40's and it shows. It was a great boat in its day, but in today's world they are heavy, lack stability, and the inability to self rescue should be considered unacceptable in a modern boat. The rig is also notoriously brittle, and it isn't unusual to see broken Scott booms littering a race course.

much like with classic cars it's great to think back on them with fondness, but who really wants a 1950 ford pickup for daily driving?
4 Weeks Ago 11:41 AM
nolatom
Re: Flying Scot - did I buy the wrong boat?

Did we ever hear back from OP? That was back in 2013, gang, so maybe he got enough experience to quell his fear that the Scot was too "hot" and skittish for him, and he should have gone with a keel boat instead.

Scots, with all the technology of the late '50s, are definitely *not* skittish, at least as centerboarders go.

I'm trying to think of another centerboard boat that size that would have taken the abuse of being a club and lesson boat for 50 years without getting destroyed, or getting their mastheads stuck in the mud much more often than the Scots.

High Performance? Yeah, lots of better boats. Medium performance and durability? Not many.
4 Weeks Ago 09:44 AM
Luf
Re: Flying Scot - did I buy the wrong boat?

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Originally Posted by Stumble View Post
What's the budget? Frankly there are a lot better boats out here for the same money.
and what are these better boats?
4 Weeks Ago 04:44 AM
aloof
Re: Flying Scot - did I buy the wrong boat?

Highlights an advantage of sailing out of a yacht club. The spouse can sit on the YC deck, or a friends big stable (boring) boat. You go out and have fun for a couple of hours and meet up later.

I'm nuts about cruising performance boats, the GF not so much. I could trade in fun for a catamaran to please her, but I'd rather just shoot myself dead. So on crossings that might be too much fun I simply fly her to the next port. Works perfectly. she loves it, I love it. No tension. Cheaper, by far, than a comfy condomaran or furniture-wagon monohull.
4 Weeks Ago 12:31 AM
Stumble
Re: Flying Scot - did I buy the wrong boat?

What's the budget? Frankly there are a lot better boats out here for the same money.
4 Weeks Ago 11:02 PM
Luf
Re: Flying Scot - did I buy the wrong boat?

It seems every year I get a little older. I sold my cruising sloop. It was getting to be a bit much for me to single hand. Don't want to break something now I'm a senior citizen. I took a year off. Well you know what they say about saltwater in the blood.
The Flying Scot would seem to me to be the perfect boat for a seasoned sailor as well as a newbie with a family.
As far as the wife goes if she isn't into sailing just take the kids. Someone who only wants to go along for the ride without helping is only going to be in the way. It doesn't matter if there is a fixed keel or its a planing boat everyone needs to be part of the crew.
11-29-2014 09:28 AM
WoobaGooba
Re: Flying Scot - did I buy the wrong boat?

Our fleet races in these conditions all the time. The FS will fly downwind in 15 knots plus. Baring the occasional flip .
11-29-2014 07:21 AM
TakeFive
Re: Flying Scot - did I buy the wrong boat?

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Originally Posted by Tiger-words View Post
Wow. His first post preceded the capsize...
His first post on this thread was Sept. 2013. His capsize was Oct. 2012.
Quote:
Originally Posted by WoobaGooba View Post
...Ever tried getting the sails off after a capsize with the boat being tossed in 4' seas?

Any number of far better ways to do this. Just one would be low stretch cordage halyards to simple cleats, cunninghams for luff tension. Toss the winch arrangement.
Clearly this boat is not designed for anything close to 4' seas. Did you go out in those conditions intentionally, or just get caught out there once?
11-29-2014 01:13 AM
WoobaGooba
Re: Flying Scot - did I buy the wrong boat?

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Originally Posted by Tiger-words View Post
Thanks. While I agree that it's not state of the art, I've never had any problems or complaints with the issues you've listed, save the breaking handle - which breaks for a reason. I am known to tweak and (hopefully) improve things, but there's little there I'd change.
Tying my comments back to the OP. Ever tried getting the sails off after a capsize with the boat being tossed in 4' seas?

Any number of far better ways to do this. Just one would be low stretch cordage halyards to simple cleats, cunninghams for luff tension. Toss the winch arrangement.
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