SailNet Community - Reply to Topic

   Search Sailnet:

 forums  store  


Quick Menu
Forums           
Articles          
Galleries        
Boat Reviews  
Classifieds     
Search SailNet 
Boat Search (new)

Shop the
SailNet Store
Anchor Locker
Boatbuilding & Repair
Charts
Clothing
Electrical
Electronics
Engine
Hatches and Portlights
Interior And Galley
Maintenance
Marine Electronics
Navigation
Other Items
Plumbing and Pumps
Rigging
Safety
Sailing Hardware
Trailer & Watersports
Clearance Items

Advertise Here






Go Back   SailNet Community > General Interest > General Discussion (sailing related) > To pull or not to pull....
 Not a Member? 


Thread: To pull or not to pull.... Reply to Thread
Title:
  

By choosing to post the reply below you agree to the rules you agreed to when joining Sailnet.
Click Here to view those rules.

Message:
Trackback:
Send Trackbacks to (Separate multiple URLs with spaces) :
Post Icons
You may choose an icon for your message from the following list:
 

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the SailNet Community forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
Please note: After entering 3 characters a list of Usernames already in use will appear and the list will disappear once a valid Username is entered.
User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Click here to view the posting rules you are bound to when clicking the
'Submit Reply' button below


Additional Options
Miscellaneous Options

Click here to view the posting rules you are bound to when clicking the
'Submit Reply' button below


Topic Review (Newest First)
09-09-2013 09:50 PM
pdqaltair
Re: To pull or not to pull....

Very location dependent, obviously. My experience is central Chesapeake.

* Snow load. Generally boats bear heavy snow better in the water, unless there is a very carefully constructed cover. However, you need to be certain your cockpit drains stay clear and that no anticipated load can cause water to siphon back into the engine (the boat may be pressed down several inches. Specifically for multihulls (huge decks and no iron keel to set on) the water is far more gentle.
* Minimum temperatures. Actually, a boat in the water seldom goes far below freezing. Though it is still smart to winterize all systems, the temperatures are moderated by the water.
* Burst rudders. Can't freeze in the water.
* Damp. In my experience, with any reasonable humidity management system, this is not a problem. Early spring is worst, when the water is cold but the air warm. Boats on the hard actually see far greater temperature swings.
* Power. I can keep a boat in the water plugged in, but not on the hard.
* Sinking. About like during the summer. At least in any climate where year around sailing is possible (no thick ice) the through hulls won't freeze, and it is not difficult to winterize them anyhow.
* Wind. If a boat is secured for named storms and squalls, winter is not worse. Chafe gear, of course.
* Ice. If you are in a marina where drifting ice is possible, haul. There is no good protection.
* Equipment reliability. Boats that see some off season use have fewer problems since everything (engines, batteries, electronics, hinges, valves, pumps, fuel systems) gets exercise and lubrication. Try parking your car for 8 months.
* Projects. There are VERY few projects that are helped by being hauled. Heck, I can't climb the mast on the hard. The dock is cooler than the yard. I can actually operate all of the systems under full load. Can you run your AC on the hard? Most cannot.
* Biannual hauling. Even with the best paint you will haul ever 2 years. Most projects can be scheduled. But even for this I haul in the summer, since working with paint and adhesives in the Spring is aggravating.

I've done both (early in my boat ownership I followed the crowd) and been MUCH happier in the water. It isn't about the money, not if they would haul and store for free. I'd need paid for lost use.
09-09-2013 08:01 PM
tommays
Re: To pull or not to pull....









Keep in mind all thees pictures are 2009 and later
09-09-2013 07:44 PM
Minnewaska
Re: To pull or not to pull....

Unless you really want to save the money, haul it. The winds are generally much stronger over the winter months around here and you'll have to worry about a fender jumping the dock or the bilge pump not working, etc.

It would be much easier to work on at the dock over the winter, except hull work. However, it just gets too cold in my book to really work aboard for any length of time from Dec to Mar. Most of my projects are taken home during the winter.
09-09-2013 11:06 AM
blutoyz
Re: To pull or not to pull....

Thanks for all the opinions...
I will play it by ear for now but I am leaning towards the haul. There were a couple of really strong arguments but "peace of mind" was the strongest.
09-08-2013 10:43 PM
geronimo69
To pull or not to pull....

Hi Barry, I'm just curious to where you are based. I'm in Bayshore.
09-08-2013 06:41 PM
BarryL
Re: To pull or not to pull....

Hey,

I live in NY and keep my boat in a mooring during the season. In the winter my mooring gets hauled and my boat must be moved. I used to have the boat hauled each year, but last year I left it in the water (in a slip, securely tied with dock lines).
For me, the cost difference is major: Under $500 to leave in the water, over $2000 to have hauled and stored.

Now, with good ablative paint that lasts 2 years I plan on spending two years in the water, then hauled out for the winter. With the boat on the hard I can sand and paint the bottom and polish, wax, etc. the topsides.

Since I had my boat hauled in June for some storm related repairs I had the bottom painted, so I will spend winter in the water.

Last winter I thought I would do some sailing but I only got out twice. This winter I will forget about sailing and put a cover on the boat.

I live close to the marina and would be aboard often, at least every other week. I put a small propane heater on, and would often have lunch in the cabin: some hot coffee, a little heat from the propane, and then I would just read a paper, maybe clean a little, i found it very pleasant.

Barry
09-08-2013 05:06 PM
Sabreman
Re: To pull or not to pull....

Quote:
boats were built to be in the water not land, so often they survive the storms better in the water than in a yard
Not statistically, according to BoatUS. They continue to recommend hauling for storm protection. Hurricane Sandy was an exception in their view - many boats floated off their stands. Since they pay the bills, I trust their judgement.

We also like to haul to let the hull dry out. I've seen instances where blisters can form in a hull left in the water continually.

To be honest, by late fall I'm usually tired of the boat and want to catch up with other interests for a few months. When the boat is in the water, I'm always thinking about it's condition. Hauling lets me shelve those thoughts for a while.
09-08-2013 02:43 PM
Jaramaz
Re: To pull or not to pull....

Quote:
You also get SERIOUS condensation inside the boat. Great for mold,
Actually, no x2:
Condensation is not a real problem, may even be less of a problem in the water compared to on the hard; it is usually colder on the hard, humidity is about the same.

Mostly too cold for mold. In both cases (water, pulled) one has to decide which strategy to use: closed or open:
Closed means everything should be locked, no air vet at all. One has to ensure all humidity is absorbed, usually in some kind of salt.
Open means ventialtion is open, the more the merrier. Dust and dirt will enter, but humidity is ventialed away.

/J
09-08-2013 02:25 PM
jimgo
Re: To pull or not to pull....

You also get SERIOUS condensation inside the boat. Great for mold, not so great for you.
09-08-2013 01:05 PM
Jaramaz
Re: To pull or not to pull....

Even if there is no ice, that doesn't mean it is not cold. If it becomes really cold then water in the through-hulls could freeze even if there is no ice in the surrounding water (as it is circulating, which the water in the through-hulls isn't). Frozen thrugh-hulls is likely to create problems.

If it isn't very cold on the palce where the boat is - sure, no problem to stay in water. Many are doing that.

The advantage with having the boat in the water is the prolonged season - nearly all year! Sailing on Christmas - an experience.

To stay in water just for saving some $ - not a good argument, I think.

/J
This thread has more than 10 replies. Click here to review the whole thread.

 
Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may post attachments
You may edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:56 AM.

Add to My Yahoo!         
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
SEO by vBSEO 3.6.1
(c) Marine.com LLC 2000-2012

The SailNet.com store is owned and operated by a company independent of the SailNet.com forum. You are now leaving the SailNet forum. Click OK to continue or Cancel to return to the SailNet forum.