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10-10-2013 12:45 AM
L124C
Re: Is it time to fire the crew?

Quote:
Originally Posted by ScottUK View Post
I think these last two races were somewhat of a vindication for Kostecki. If the upwind differential brtween the boats is that great then you need to try something even if you are marginally ahead at mark 2. It now painfully obvious ETNZ has the faster overall boat by a long shot.
Really?
In retrospect, doesn't this entire thread demonstrate what inept armchair quarterbacks we all are? Glad they didn't "Fire the crew"!
10-03-2013 10:43 AM
FarCry
Re: Is it time to fire the crew?

I'd love to read the directions to that story.

And then the Kiwis tack without trimming the wing until the boat is heeled past 40 degrees. Balance there until the world is convinced it's going over. Then, after Oracle has passed, recover and sail on...
10-02-2013 06:03 PM
Omatako
Re: Is it time to fire the crew?

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Originally Posted by hellosailor View Post
Capta, you've got to understand that all this corporate sponsorship depends on viewers. So, you throw a few races beforehand, get everyone all excited about the comeback, hype it all up and get ten times the viewers.

Remember this is now a corporate sponsored sport, all business, and like any major sports franchise, it might have been choreographed ahead of time.

How's that for a conspiracy theory that explains why all the players keep their jobs?
There is no possible way anyone could have choreographed Dean Barker into willing participation in what happened to him.
09-30-2013 06:21 PM
hellosailor
Re: Is it time to fire the crew?

Capta, you've got to understand that all this corporate sponsorship depends on viewers. So, you throw a few races beforehand, get everyone all excited about the comeback, hype it all up and get ten times the viewers.

Remember this is now a corporate sponsored sport, all business, and like any major sports franchise, it might have been choreographed ahead of time.

How's that for a conspiracy theory that explains why all the players keep their jobs?
09-30-2013 04:43 PM
jephotog
Re: Is it time to fire the crew?

I think now it's time to give them a raise.
09-17-2013 06:04 AM
Omatako
Re: Is it time to fire the crew?

By taking Kostecki off the boat they reduced their American crew content by 50% - just saying. But they have definitely got a better formula in the past few days.

Getting back to original post, the sailing of these boats must be compared to any other sport that requires a high level creative talent. That can't be switched on and off. It ebbs and flows and when you get it right it works when you don't it doesn't. The real dilemma is that there are a dozen talents on the boat and they all have be creatively in sync for the perfect performance.

ETNZ have twice shown what happens when the talent gets out of sync.

As far as foiling skills go, it must be remembered that when OTUSA dreamed up this design, they never even conceptualised foiling. It was Dalton's design team that spotted a "loophole" in the Rule that enabled them to design a foiling boat and it was only once they started sailing on foils in Auckland that OTUSA saw the light. From that moment on, they have been playing catch-up. I believe they have done a really good job of it.

And finally, wasn't de Ridder the mainsail trimmer? I didn't think he was the foil trimmer. Of course I could be wrong - often am.
09-13-2013 12:01 PM
JonEisberg
Re: Is it time to fire the crew?

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Originally Posted by ScottUK View Post
I think these last two races were somewhat of a vindication for Kostecki. If the upwind differential brtween the boats is that great then you need to try something even if you are marginally ahead at mark 2. It now painfully obvious ETNZ has the faster overall boat by a long shot.
Agree completely... Who better than the afterguard on ORACLE, to appreciate they are sailing the slower boat...

In hindsight, that foiling tack makes more sense, they felt compelled to sail out of the box to have a chance back upwind...

Really gotta feel for Kostecki - he's one of the most accomplished sailors on the planet, sailing in his home waters, and by all accounts I've ever heard, one of the nicest guys out there at that level of the sport...
09-13-2013 03:02 AM
ScottUK
Re: Is it time to fire the crew?

I think these last two races were somewhat of a vindication for Kostecki. If the upwind differential brtween the boats is that great then you need to try something even if you are marginally ahead at mark 2. It now painfully obvious ETNZ has the faster overall boat by a long shot.
09-12-2013 07:18 PM
JulieMor
Re: Is it time to fire the crew?

Based on the continual drubbing Oracle is taking upwind (3rd leg), I'm starting to think the boat is the biggest weak link they have. Just watching the speed, ETNZ is consistently faster on that leg. Even if Oracle had a clone of the Kiwi team, I think their boat would lose.
09-11-2013 10:08 AM
zz4gta
Re: Is it time to fire the crew?

All this started when they destroyed the first boat. Having a learning curve so steep, if you miss a months worth of training, it really puts a nail in your coffin.

The nose dive was completely due to an excited crew member who raised the foil too early.

The foiling tack was IMHO, too risky, especially when you're ahead. The other mistakes in boat handling are unexcusable at this level. They are a little slower upwind, but boat handling should be better than what it is now.

In hindsight, I don't blame them for pulling the postponement card so early. They fell apart after mark 3. Not exactly the professionalism I expected from such talent.
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