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09-23-2013 08:35 PM
DonScribner
Re: Old Glory, slightly moldy. What to do?

Whatev'.

The flag may be laundered or drycleaned appropriately for the fabric. Some drycleaners will do so for free. The flag may be trimmed slightly to get rid of tatters and may be sewn or stitched as necessary as long as the proper ratio in not altered.

National Flag Foundation National Flag Foundation

Respect and honor the flag as you should the country that it represents. You don't have to. That's the most wonderfull part. But you should.

Don Scribner USAF Ret.
09-23-2013 01:36 PM
Faster
Re: Old Glory, slightly moldy. What to do?

Jay

We generally try not to air such grievances in the public forum, but here we are.

You most certainly did not simply say 'burn the flag'.. your comments were a highly politically polarized viewpoint (you yourself posted a warning to that effect) and they were removed for that reason - there is another, less closely moderated forum here for that type of discussion. If I gave you the impression that it was only because it was otherwise non responsive to the topic, I apologize.

To be fair I've removed the offending word in TCCs response. Most members here have no trouble discerning the appropriate forums for various discussions and viewpoints.

So lets move on..

Ron
09-23-2013 01:22 PM
Johnnycatt
Re: Old Glory, slightly moldy. What to do?

@Minnewaska,

I don't really mind having my post removed, it's their website, they can do whatever they wish. I was simply instructed to veiw the "Registration terms and use" to see why... funny thing was I had to REALLLLLYYYY stretch to find a rule I had broken, and I'm still not sure i've broken a rule.... and the rule(s) they claim I have broken doesn't seem to exist as of 6:00AM CST 23 September 2013.

I can follow rules, but when they just make one up AFTER THE FACT, it makes it kinda tough to know when i'm walking in a "grey area..."

I have never caused any problems here and will accept them not allowing my post, but as of now, NO ONE knows exactly what rule(s) I broke since the rule(s) they stated DOESN'T/DON'T EXIST!

understand my "quandry?" and if "off topic" is against the rules, there are now about 7 posts on this thread (incuding yours and Mark's) that need to be be removed... just sayin'

@Mark,
Sorry.
your post was unsigned and I didn't realize your "handle" was a "play" on your name, therefor, I used "sir" out of respect. and yes, I do think tearing the "made in China" tag off the flag is disrespectful since it damages the integrity of the flag's manufacture. If someone was to have the stiches removed, then remove the "made in China tag," then re-sew the affected area, I would think that was "respectful." but remeber, THAT is just MY opinion... it's your flag do whatever you wish to it... but do try to remember, there is a little bit of MY blood in those "red" stripes, ok? as well as 2 grandfathers and 3 great grandfathers, and a couple of great uncles (one still burried in France)...


-=-JAY
09-23-2013 01:02 PM
MastUndSchotbruch
Re: Old Glory, slightly moldy. What to do?

Quote:
Originally Posted by blt2ski View Post
If one allows themselves to do some google or equal searching, one can find proper ways to wash, mend, clean etc your US flag. Along with proper ways to dispose of it. Prefered disposing is by burning via the proper disposal ceremony.

I found 8=10 groups that will do such disposing.

So for those saying burning is not the proper way, I suggest you let your finners do the walking thru the internet!

Flying a soiled, stained or equal flag, would be a disrespectful of the flag.

Marty
Holy Moly, this was a simple question over doing laundry!!! (oh, I am the original poster, just in case this is forgotten). I kind of thought that this might be a little sensitive (was afraid I would end up on FoxNews as a flag-desecrator or something) but I did not expect these violent reactions.

Anyways, I will try Woolite, and if that fails, OxyClean. Thanks
09-23-2013 08:06 AM
MarkofSeaLife
Re: Old Glory, slightly moldy. What to do?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnnycatt View Post
Sir,

-=-JAY
Jay,

My name is Mark.

It clearly says so.

Please use it.

Thanks Jay.


Mark
09-23-2013 08:06 AM
Minnewaska
Re: Old Glory, slightly moldy. What to do?

Pounding on the people that make the rules here is kinda futile. Particularly when you pay nothing for it.

Further, this is an international forum. Thinking politics is limited to US D vs. R is failing to recognize the point.

There are flag etiquette rules. If one chooses to follow them, have at it. If not, no on is going to press charges unless you are trying to make a political statement in disrespect of the flag/country. Can't really make new etiquette rules, however. They are what they are.
09-23-2013 07:41 AM
Johnnycatt
Re: Old Glory, slightly moldy. What to do?

Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkofSeaLife View Post
Really? (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

I rip the Made in China logo off.... or is that disrespectful too?


Sir,
Using OxyClean or "machine washing" was, formerly, my opinion of "DISrespect for the flag." You can feel free to wipe mud from your shoes with the flag if you wish (as long as the flag you use is one you own - with or without a "made in China" tag)...

For me, now, I just choose to ignore it... how one chooses to repect the flag is one's own choice. TBH, I would no more desicrate a USA flag than I would a UK flag... it is just disrespectful to those who love it.

In those days, I would have found throwing "old glory" in the Kenmore a little disrespectful, but If you don't think it's disrepectful, then I would say, "use cold water and wash with like colors on the gentle cycle."

-=-JAY
09-23-2013 07:22 AM
Johnnycatt
Re: Old Glory, slightly moldy. What to do?

@TTC,

I have no ax to grind with you. You are free to love me or hate me - I don't care. i bare you no malace or anger; I do think you are misguided in your analysis of my statements, but that is YOUR opinion, and I'm ok with that!

Do you know why I'm ok with your differing opinion? becasue I believe in "freedom." so long as you don't violate my person or property, you are free to have whatever opinion you wish - just allow me the same courtesy...

I hand you an olive branch, my friend.

-=-JAY
09-23-2013 07:06 AM
Johnnycatt
Re: Old Glory, slightly moldy. What to do?

Here is my rebuttal:

My post was NOT deleted for "political content" mine was deleted for being "off topic"..

I was encouraged to read the Registration Terms and Conditions of Service"

Guess what? I DID!!

As a matter of fact, I find NO RULE in the "Registration Terms and Conditions of Service" that say ANY response must be about the subject being discussed!!! NOR do I find any rule disallowing political discussion/conversation. THOSE ARE THE RULES YOU POSTED AND I FOLLOWED THEM – based on the current accusations you are making, I wish MY post re-posted!

So, the way I see it (via YOUR rules), neither MY comment or TTC's can be removed, under the rules, for being “off topic” or “political.”

As far as “on topic:” My post stated the proper method of flag disposal. TTC's offers no information pertinent to the original question. TTC could have recited a passage from “Little Women” or “Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone” and been JUST AS “ON TOPIC!” as what he actually posted. The Moderators should be fine with that, though, as being “off topic” is not a violation of the "Registration Terms and Conditions of Service."

***WHAT IS A VIOLATION IS THE FOLLOWING ***

By TTC calling my statement "drivel" would definitely be a violation of Paragraph 13 of your own "Registration and terms of Service," which states:
"You may not post messages that are objectionable and meant to offend or incite conflict " TTC's comment has OBVIOUSLY "incite[d] conflict" and is definately "meant to offend." His post should be removed.

MY post should NOT have offended anyone, it was merely a suggestion of what someone MIGHT WANT TO DO to replace a flag - I was not promoting "boarding vessels" and ripping down flags and replacing them while the skipper is under duress of cannon fire! I say fly whatever flag you want to fly!

Also, TTC violated Rule 16 which states: "You may not use this forum to post messages that are meant to embarrass other members in an attempt to settle personal disputes."

TTC's aforementioned response was DEFINATELY meant to embarrass me by using the insulting word "drivel." By calling my statements “drivel” he obviously had “disputes” about my content. He could have simply sent a message to a moderator to have my comment removed. In regards to this, TTC's post should be removed.

Remember, I have NOT, yet, asked mine post to be re-instated; I am requesting you remove TTC's for violation of Rule 13 and 16. I would also like the reason mine was redacted to state the TRUE reason - Violation of rule 13 in that it contained "objectionable material.” (Since “objectionable” is subjective, I will confess to it, but the flag one flies is a matter of “taste,” like the paint color of the boat would be. Demanding that someone fly the USA ensign is “objectionable” to me – as it would be to a Briton, an Aussie, a Brazilian, etc.)

To say it is "Political" is simply a fallacy as I accused "the last 3 administrations" of violating the Constitution (Clinton, Bush and Obama) making it politically neutral. I referenced 4 federals laws only as logical support for MY reasoning to NOT replace MY sailing ensign with the flag of the USA.

That is my case AS YOU HAVE ASKED me to present. Now YOU need to remove the insulting post calling my post "drivel," or RE-POST my original content.

If YOU are going to allow SOME people to break rules (TTC), then YOU must allow all people to break rules.

The question is will you hide your own embarrassment by deleting this post or will you do what's right and delete TTC's post and re-instate mine. Why should his opinion count for more than mine (unless he is an owner of sailnet to which he has the full right to post/delete whatever he wishes)?

Thank you,
-=-JAY
09-22-2013 11:46 PM
blt2ski
Re: Old Glory, slightly moldy. What to do?

If one allows themselves to do some google or equal searching, one can find proper ways to wash, mend, clean etc your US flag. Along with proper ways to dispose of it. Prefered disposing is by burning via the proper disposal ceremony.

I found 8=10 groups that will do such disposing.

So for those saying burning is not the proper way, I suggest you let your finners do the walking thru the internet!

Flying a soiled, stained or equal flag, would be a disrespectful of the flag.

Marty
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