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10-04-2013 09:10 AM
ltgoshen
Re: Why buy a brand new $150,000 sailboat?

Everything is relative to our own expenses. If I were a rich man I would have the best equipment available. But I am not a rich man so I got the best I could. C&C30 MK1 built in 1981 I had to put an engine in her and a bunch of other work. Mostly time but money too. But I have sailed her 27 times now in 19 months. No one in my marina takes there boat out as much as I do. No one spends as much time with their boats as I do with mine. I am in love with the whole process.
I got her on the cheap at first. But she was not free buy any means. In this process I have learned her’ every nook and cranny. I know the power she has now. I installed the engine myself. I know how hard it is to get the shift linkage set right. I know the stuffing box well. The cutlass bearing was rebuilt. It’s a labor of love. I would never know a new boat as I know this boat. My love affair has a flavor that is real. Not like something you would ever fine “buying new”.
We have had a chance to fall in love. I know her and she knows me. She and I will be together for life.
To each his own "NEW/USED" for me it’s a no brainer...
See ya on the water.
10-03-2013 08:52 PM
SloopJonB
Re: Why buy a brand new $150,000 sailboat?

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10-03-2013 08:47 PM
Don0190
Re: Why buy a brand new $150,000 sailboat?

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10-03-2013 07:44 PM
benesailor
Re: Why buy a brand new $150,000 sailboat?

Thanks to those that buy new boats. This way others can have nice used boats. I don't begrudge anyone for buying a new boat; in fact i envy them at times. When i win the power ball i'll get my custom boat.

Sometimes it makes sense. I met a couple from NYC in a new 57 footer ($840k). They did the math. A new house in NYC, $800k; taxes $25k(or more). It was about the same to live on a new boat on the water! Of course it didn't hurt that they had some money as well.
10-03-2013 07:35 PM
benesailor
Re: Why buy a brand new $150,000 sailboat?

Thanks TDW
10-03-2013 07:07 PM
tdw
Re: Why buy a brand new $150,000 sailboat?

..... and so a thread " Why buy a brand new $150,000 sailboat? " looks destined for PRWG. Now does that realy make any sense at all ?

Please people ... leave the politics for Off Topic. The other thread is about to be moved (or may already have been moved) and so will this one if need be.

Once upon a time one of my fellow mods took a mixed up thread ike this one and moved the political posts to Off Topic. For this he was publicly castigated and has vowed not to go through that again. Smart fellow.

Ergo, if the OT stuff continues this thread will go PRWG holus bolus.
10-03-2013 03:01 PM
SloopJonB
Re: Why buy a brand new $150,000 sailboat?

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Penske Blue! Which, IMO, is still the best color for a Corvette!
Especially with yellow wheels.

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As for the scandal - yeah that's disappointing. In times past, jockeys and horse owners have gone to jail or worse for doing the same thing. But, if you take it in context of the sport, within NASCAR there is almost bragging rights about who can break the rules and not get caught.
If there was the same kind of betting on NASCAR as horse racing they probably WOULD have gone to jail.
10-03-2013 02:49 PM
TJC45
Re: Why buy a brand new $150,000 sailboat?

I won't take anything away from Roger's business building career. They guy came an extraordinary distance. He coulda quit building after he bought his first Chevy dealership and lived a very comfortable life. But that was only a next step in mega building.

How much of a leg up did he get? As a teenager he was fixing and flipping race cars. Not something that can be done on paper route money. And in his 20s bought his first car dealership. Car dealerships cost a lot more today, but relatively speaking not something most 20 somethings could swing back then. Still, it was his vision and his drive ( no pun intended) that built a billion dollar empire. That and Penske Blue! Which, IMO, is still the best color for a Corvette!

As for the scandal - yeah that's disapppointing. In times past, jockeys and horse owners have gone to jail or worse for doing the same thing. But, if you take it in context of the sport, within NASCAR there is almost bragging rights about who can break the rules and not get caught.
10-03-2013 01:28 PM
SloopJonB
Re: Why buy a brand new $150,000 sailboat?

Penske was born pretty middle class, maybe upper middle. Certainly not a silver spoon type like Trump.

I'm surprised that he would cheat that blatantly. Of course there are degrees of what could be called cheating - back in the Trans Am days when Donohue drove for him he came up with the famous "unobtanium" line when asked what some of his Camaro parts were made of.

Like Smokey Yunick famously said "If the rules don't say I can't do it, I have to assume I CAN".

That said, the incident you describe sounds just plain sleazy.

Disappointing.
10-03-2013 12:47 PM
TJC45
Re: Why buy a brand new $150,000 sailboat?

Penske's an interesting guy. Built an automotive empire. Like many didn't start on the bottom wrung to get that done. But you can't argue with results! he definately took the ball and ran with it! And unlike other rich kid success stories, at least he doesn't a TV show where he fires people.

More recently, Roger has adopted the spirit of the Shine runners where bending a rule or two is the way it's done. He was caught up in his own NASCAR scandal at Richmond. While relative to what happened at Waltrip racing during the same race it could be called scandal lite, fixing a race is still fixing a race. And, ethically it is what it is.

Radio traffic indicates that Penske, on the roof of the grandstand with the spotters at Richmond, cut a deal with Front Row motorsports to allow his driver to get ahead of Front Row's driver. Shortly after the back and forth radio communication took place Front Row's driver slowed down allowing Penske's driver to overtake him. Something he'd been unable to do previously. The payoff would be future tech support to Front Row. Something Front Row had sought from Penske in the past.

Penske defends himself by saying there was no direct radio communications between himself and Front Row's crew chief. Yet, the driver of Front Row's car could hear all the traffic between his spotter and his crew chief where the crew chief is confirming that the deal is being proffered by Penske himself. The spotter saying "The captain is standing right here next to me." Once confirmed, Front Row's car suddenly got slower. Penske's car just had to keep on doing what it had been doing. it finished in front of Front Row's car.

Gee, a fixed race in NASCAR? Who'd a thunk it? NASCAR didn't buy Penske's claim of innocence and sanctioned both teams. Penske being the billionaire he is didn't get the book thrown at him as did Michael Waltrip, Michael Waltrip Racing, who did pretty much the same thing.

I guess the upshot is it's good that he really does get NASCAR where cheating is an accepted part of the program.( accepted by the teams, not the officials) After-all they started as outlaws! Penske got rich by understanding how the game is played!
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